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04-27-2018, 05:10 AM

#11

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Originally Posted by SactisbonesBJ

You're too male and too pale

Maybe you can re-classify yourself as a transitioned female to male?

It’s frustrating for sure waiting to just get a shot!

04-27-2018, 05:15 AM

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R57 relay

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I think it’s just the odds. We hire most of pilots from flow agreements and the military, so the rest of the pie is tiny.

My cousin ran into the same thing here. Ended up going to SW then FedEx.

04-27-2018, 05:23 AM

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How many LORs do you have? How many internals do you have? How much volunteer time do you do? Are you a member of WIA and OBAP and go to those job fairs every year? For non-military OTS hires, these seem to be the biggest factors for someone with your TT. That being said...there's not a lot of non-mil OTS hires. My class was 50% flow-throughs, and of the other 50%, 90% was military. Not saying it's impossible, but with maybe 10 non-mil OTS hires a month on average, you gotta be better than the other 1000s of applicants that AA has on file. Be a pest - go to EVERY job fair, make calls, make AA know how badly you want it.

04-27-2018, 05:33 AM

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I've heard check airman and/or sim instructor helps. There was an OTS guy in my class from Spirit who was a sim instructor. Also, don't limit your options. I had a very competitive app in with my "previous first choice" for years and heard nothing even during robust hiring when all my friends were getting called. Now that I'm at AA, I know it's where I'm supposed to be and I don't intend to leave. Your "future first choice" might be waiting for you somewhere else that isn't on your radar right now. Best of luck to you...I know it can be puzzling.

04-27-2018, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Santini

Had my stuff in for a couple years at least.

7500+ TT
4000+ PIC TURB (Jet)
Master’s Degree
Currently 91/135 but have 121 Experience.

I am wondering if my times matrix is screwed up.

Are there head hunters out there or someone in recruiting I could call? I’m really bummed...

Many thanks in advance.

Non flow through, non military pilots only make up about 10% of AAs new hire classes.

Your TT is probably good enough, but how recently have you beefed up your resume with additional training (upgraded/new type/check airman/ comapny instructor etc.) and extra curriculars like community involvement, membership of an AA favorable group?

From the non flow 121 side of the house it looks like LCA experience or membership to an AA preferred group the most common attributes of the folks I know who got picked up as OTS hires at AA. The networking piece is also important as well...

04-27-2018, 06:45 AM

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Sliceback

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When’s the last time you went through a full training course? New type rating or upgrading from FO to CA in the same type. In the past 5 (?) yrs was the cutoff.

AA’s civilian OTS hiring last year was 9%.

DL published avg civilian hiring data - 7600 TT and 4100 PIC.

Your resume, in a competitive market, is dead center average.

04-27-2018, 08:59 AM

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Santini

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Originally Posted by atpcliff

It may help to go somewhere else first, like Kalitta, Omni, etc. Getting a new type rating, big jet, and intntl experience has helped a LOT of pilots get to where they want to go.

PSA, Piedmont, Envoy have direct flow through to AA...you just have to wait.

Half a dozen type ratings, two years overseas flying into places a lot of people can’t pronounce, more crossings than I can count, etc.

I worry that my application is messed up and I’ll never know it.

Someone mentioned networking. All the guys I know are as confused by the process as I am. One of my friends just got to United, for example, yet for a couple years all his FOs were upgrading then getting the call instead of him.

Thanks all.

04-27-2018, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by R57 relay

I think it’s just the odds. We hire most of pilots from flow agreements and the military, so the rest of the pie is tiny.

My cousin ran into the same thing here. Ended up going to SW then FedEx.

Got it. Maybe United is a better shot.

Thanks.

04-27-2018, 09:16 AM

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Thanks all for the input.

Yeah I do the community involvement stuff, etc. I do that legitimately, not to get a job. Have not done the job fair thing yet. When’s the next one in Dallas or Houston? Does it matter which one?

Networking... I don’t even know enough folks at AA to come close on internals based on what I’ve read. Most of the people I know are SWA and United.

Well, I guess I can just ride it out here for awhile longer. I’m not going broke or anything, but in ten years I’d rather be on the AA pay scale.