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Old 07-19-2018 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
Just hasn’t been implemented yet.
Yes. A contract that is amendable in a year and a half. Still has sections not implemented.
Gotcha, I was just searching through the contract. thanks for the section!
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Old 07-24-2018 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
I just got a 4 day trip. Pays 3 days cause it ends in a red eye. 15:59 duty day on day 1.
Ends up getting in at 6am on my day off.
Still considered a day off in the eyes of APA and the company.

Reserve needs to get a whole lot better in the next contract. How you can work almost everyday on reserve and not break guarantee? It’s APA math.
Wow, how does the union figure getting done at WORK on a day off after working all night is a day off?

What is min days off for SCR and LCR?
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Old 07-24-2018 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Wow, how does the union figure getting done at WORK on a day off after working all night is a day off?

What is min days off for SCR and LCR?
LCR and SCR have the same number of day off. 12 days off in a 30 day month, and 13 in a 31 day month.
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Old 07-24-2018 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Wow, how does the union figure getting done at WORK on a day off after working all night is a day off?
They will say “it doesn’t happen that often”. Which I think was true, but middle management has figured out how to exploit this. There are pilots on property who have no clue that it’s done differently at other airlines. They know profit sharing is better at other airlines, but have no clue about the little things.
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Old 07-24-2018 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Wow, how does the union figure getting done at WORK on a day off after working all night is a day off?

What is min days off for SCR and LCR?
Certain scenarios you get additional time off. Long call, or short call with an early RAP. Short calls with a later RAP may not get any additional time off.

When you get in you get debrief time, 12 hours domicile rest, then get the 24 hours shifted.
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Old 07-24-2018 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
I just got a 4 day trip. Pays 3 days cause it ends in a red eye. 15:59 duty day on day 1.
Ends up getting in at 6am on my day off.
Still considered a day off in the eyes of APA and the company.

Reserve needs to get a whole lot better in the next contract. How you can work almost everyday on reserve and not break guarantee? It’s APA math.
Everyone needs to fill out the pre section 6 survey so these guys know how bad it is and lots and lots of observer reports. My last 2 trips I’ve had to fill out 4 observer reports!!
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Old 07-25-2018 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
Wow, how does the union figure getting done at WORK on a day off after working all night is a day off?

What is min days off for SCR and LCR?
Couple of important insights into our union:

-It has been controlled for a loooooong time by very senior widebody captains.

-Work rules never affect senior widebody captains.

(I think this will change soon. An enormous number of those guys will retire shortly, and a couple of the worst ones have already been voted off the BOD. I’m hoping that as soon as the BOD loses its current majority of “eat your young” folks, we will see that change.)
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Old 07-25-2018 | 10:15 AM
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reserve rules here are way worst than at the last 2 regionals ive been at. something needs to be done
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Old 07-25-2018 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Couple of important insights into our union:

-It has been controlled for a loooooong time by very senior widebody captains.

-Work rules never affect senior widebody captains.

(I think this will change soon. An enormous number of those guys will retire shortly, and a couple of the worst ones have already been voted off the BOD. I’m hoping that as soon as the BOD loses its current majority of “eat your young” folks, we will see that change.)
I don’t disagree with you. I believe that the mindset of “I’m senior so it doesn’t affect me” is so shortsighted and misguided. Personally, I am fairly senior on the list as a whole but in my position I am junior and if I was able to go to LAX I would be a bottom feeder forever. Reserve affects guys in the top 15% of the seniority list, and it just takes a reduction in your fleet/seat/base to make you go from midpack line holder to reserve.

It’s incumbent on all of us to make the rules better. Chances are, no matter your position now, you could face being on reserve.
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Old 07-29-2018 | 09:36 AM
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Just got assigned another turd sandwich.

Got a trip assigned to me outside of 12 hours. Should go to a long call but they are out of them.
I’m good for a 3 day trip starting today. Got a 4 day starting tomorrow. I’ll lose 2 days off. But then I start a 4 day trip right after.
So yes 9 days straight.
But.... I get 30.5 hours off in Detroit so that is why they can schedule me that.

Where is APA? How can we possibly have a contract that allows for scheduling to do this? Worse than a regional. Far worse. Go to any other major but AA.

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