December vacancy awards
08-11-2018 | 01:55 PM
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Would anybody have a rough idea of how many pilots are staffed per category? As in the number of pilots in group 2, 3, and 4? Do they staff them evenly? I would assume group 4 would need more pilots, but since that aircraft typically will just fly once or twice a day I’m guessing maybe it evens out.
Pretty sure that’s where I saw it. Probably on AAPilots somewhere else too but I’m pretty sure it’s in vacancy
08-11-2018 | 05:19 PM
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APA used to probably view that data to the membership. Status 15 report. If it’s still provided to the members I can’t find it. The last Status 15 report under the Ops Analysis Page is September 2015.
aapilots crew age by fleet shows you the number of pilots in each fleet. AMR 10Q(K?) report should have the fleet totals.
Off the top of my head G2 is typically around 12, G3 around 15-16, and G4 21-24.
aapilots crew age by fleet shows you the number of pilots in each fleet. AMR 10Q(K?) report should have the fleet totals.
Off the top of my head G2 is typically around 12, G3 around 15-16, and G4 21-24.
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08-11-2018 | 06:13 PM
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Not sure what the ratio is per fleet - as Slice said it’s hard to find. I do know that we are the least staffed/per aircraft and it shows on the line.
The latest crew news went into staffing and schoolhouse instructor shortages. Having just finished a course in a dying jet, I can honestly say there wasn’t more than two days in a row that my GS instructors weren’t picking up overtime, and the sim P’s and CKA were constantly taking phone calls in the sim by scheduling asking them to do doubles the next day. It looked to me like Isom was just finding out during the crew news
Below are the ratios of aircraft/crew (non fleet specific) as of end of July.
AA - 951/14599 - 15.35
DAL - 875/14,600 - 16.68
UAL - 730/12,517 - 17.14
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The latest crew news went into staffing and schoolhouse instructor shortages. Having just finished a course in a dying jet, I can honestly say there wasn’t more than two days in a row that my GS instructors weren’t picking up overtime, and the sim P’s and CKA were constantly taking phone calls in the sim by scheduling asking them to do doubles the next day. It looked to me like Isom was just finding out during the crew news
Below are the ratios of aircraft/crew (non fleet specific) as of end of July.
AA - 951/14599 - 15.35
DAL - 875/14,600 - 16.68
UAL - 730/12,517 - 17.14
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08-12-2018 | 06:43 AM
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Yes, and I think that’s why there’s more disparity in the ratio. We are much closer to DAL fleet wise.
School house is maxed out, manning in the training pipeline is maxed out, and schedulers are trying anything to get you on a trip - legal or otherwise. We’re way behind the proverbial power curve and I’m not sure if our senior management knows the extent of the problem.
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08-12-2018 | 07:30 AM
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08-12-2018 | 07:31 AM
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The math, from Cheddar’s numbers, above -
Using DAL 16.68 pilots per plane and AA 951 planes:
16.68 x 951 = 15,863 Pilots needed.
14,599 pilots today
15,863 - 14,599 = 1,264 Pilots needed to hire
in addition to increasing retirements/early outs/growth.
Hiring plans for this year are 900 (or 930). Mandatory retirement is 528. Doesn’t sound like much of this year’s hires is to improve, mostly hold the current pilots/plane.
Mandatory retirement ramps up to 957 in just a few years. And the Schoolhouse is maxed out today. Sounds like a big expansion is needed.
As the Chinese expression goes, ‘May you live in interesting times.’ And for the first time in decades, pilots are going to be in the driver’s seat (no pun intended).
Using DAL 16.68 pilots per plane and AA 951 planes:
16.68 x 951 = 15,863 Pilots needed.
14,599 pilots today
15,863 - 14,599 = 1,264 Pilots needed to hire
in addition to increasing retirements/early outs/growth.
Hiring plans for this year are 900 (or 930). Mandatory retirement is 528. Doesn’t sound like much of this year’s hires is to improve, mostly hold the current pilots/plane.
Mandatory retirement ramps up to 957 in just a few years. And the Schoolhouse is maxed out today. Sounds like a big expansion is needed.
As the Chinese expression goes, ‘May you live in interesting times.’ And for the first time in decades, pilots are going to be in the driver’s seat (no pun intended).
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