Not advocating or desiring for a return of pensions. I left a regional nearly three years ago and I’ve forgotten very little. I had 17 years of that. Now that I’m here I will fight always for a better contract even if you think it’s a faux paus to call it a bankruptcy contract.

You’ve lost your edge. I’ll leave you and name user to talk about how great you have it.

Look I’m not saying we couldn’t improve in a lot of areas, we definitely could. But in the grand scheme of aviation jobs we have it pretty good. We have it amazing compared to the general population.

We aren’t doctors or lawyers. Our experience isn’t portable. We are effed if AA goes out of business. I just want to see the company succeed and continue to be profitable.

First and foremost, the mechanics needs to free themselves of the rampers.

One requires a license, the other a heartbeat.

I’m by no means a company apologist, but from what I can tell AA has offered them industry leading everything FOR industry standard scope. And this is for scope by attrition. No one is getting furloughed of a contract.

This is why we can’t have nice things. And this is why we will never have DAL profit sharing.




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Scope by attrition = throw your children under the bus

Exactly. We cant bring regional flying to mainline like Delta has been doing because our mainline cost structure is too high. Not the pilots but the rampers, gate agents, FA's, GSE, mechanics, etc. It is what it is but it is hard to watch a TWU guy threaten to shut the place down. Those rampers are not invested in this career like we are. I get everyone wants a piece of the pie but that just leaves that much less for us pilots.

Ahhhh.... Sweet, Sweet Naivety...:cool:

Honest question, is this really what people want for their kids? To do the same thing we did?

The world changes. We are very, very lucky for that. Elevator operators, buggy whip makers, film developers, navigators, whaling boat captains, rotary phone repairmen, the list goes on and on. There's a difference between making sure the people trained and employed in a certain profession are taken care of, and tilting at windmills to preserve a job that won't be around forever for people who haven't graduated highschool yet.

I won't be pushing my kids to be pilots. If they want to, great. But I fully expect planes to be single pilot in 30 years, on their way towards being fully autonomous. As it should be. Fares will be cheaper, fewer cancellations, and more diverse routes. What I expect is for the unions and companies to ensure a smooth and secure transition for those of us who are committed to the industry when that change occurs.

ramp jobs will be around for awhile. i think the person you quoted was saying more along the lines of keeping it a job that can pay the bills with health insurance and a 401(k). i think if AA had their way with scope, they would make it a min wage job with no bennies. but the jobs would still exist.

The major problem here is that you are comparing your pay and schedule to the regionals. Something below you in your career.

You need to be comparing yourself to your peers at Delta United and SWA.

That would be like a Doctor being content with sub-par compensation saying "well I am paid more than I was in my residency!"

Are you making more than Delta? Better work rules than them?