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Old 09-06-2019, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Duchess View Post
Is that the way you are going to think if there’s a recession and management comes to your group asking for concessions because they have leverage. I’m sure your brothers and sisters appreciate that kind of thinking.

We may or may not have the leverage, but at least we are advocating for ourselves.
I'm sure your brothers and sisters appreciate you using them as your leverage so that you can have heightened JS priority on all carriers. As an outside observer, I've been stunned by the aggression and entitlement displayed by the RAH folks in this thread.

But like I said, at least it's entertaining!
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Old 09-06-2019, 01:22 PM
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I think most of us agree Republic should have higher priority than OAL on AA as a regional carrier of AA. The problem lies with the fact that Republic has dragged AA/AE pilots into this. That is a no win situation. You’ve now annoyed AA and ****ed off some AA/AE pilots. Maybe your company should have negotiated this when they signed the CPA. One of two things will happen ...AA will either cancel your ID90 ability( they can’t figure out our own JS for us now let alone a small contract carrier so why would they start now ) or they will give you what you want and AAC FDJ. Therefore giving you priority on all of the big 3 (good deal for you). However holding some of us AA/AE commuters hostage will not be forgotten.

This part I hate to say but I will. To whoever before was ranting about being equals... If you think your equal to AA you are mistaken. Until you have your own routes and AA/UA/DL NOT painted on your tail then you are. You work for AA...don’t like it get a new job. Everyone is hiring. Brass tax...sorry
No one is claiming AA and YX are equals. What we are saying is now our JS priority on each other's metal is equal. It's called a reciprocal jumpseat agreement. We aren't holding AA or WO pilots hostage. Nobody is denying you a JS. That would be like YX pilots claiming we are denied a JS

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Old 09-06-2019, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser View Post
I'm sure your brothers and sisters appreciate you using them as your leverage so that you can have heightened JS priority on all carriers. As an outside observer, I've been stunned by the aggression and entitlement displayed by the RAH folks in this thread.



But like I said, at least it's entertaining!
What entitlement? YX is enforcing the reciprocal part of the agreement. Nothing has changed on our end. We still get the same priority as an OAL JS. The only change here is AA and WO are getting the same treatment we get now and look at the reaction because they no longer get to enjoy the priority they had before. I understand the anger but our Union tried for years to talk to APA and ALPA at the WO and they refused to so much as listen. Their anger should be towards their union leadership who has known for years of the lack of reciprocity and now months on this change on the part of YX

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Old 09-06-2019, 01:41 PM
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lol, entitlement? I guess it is called entitlement these days when you enforce a RECIPROCAL agreement and don't let a major treat you like dirt while you consistently roll out the red carpet for them.

I can just imagine nits like bitwiser dropping their monocle into their soup screaming "how dare they!"
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Originally Posted by Duchess View Post
And AA/WO are non employees of Republic, so they can list D6 like everyone else does. If you don’t think we should receive priority I can respect that. I disagree with it, but I respect that point of view. But that works both ways.

We are all part of the same pool. So if I don’t make it to work on AA and I’m working a United flight, Republic has to use a reserve that is no longer able to serve American.
It’s an AA flight. When Republic builds a brand and sells its own tickets, you’ll get to make the rules. AA dictates priority on their flights, not RAH.
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No, you don't understand the point I'm trying to make.

The fact that pilots didn't know about this shows that your communication wasn't reaching enough people.
Before doing something like this, I would have assumed your union would ensure every single pilot at AA and WOs knows about this discrepancy. It's pretty obvious that's not the case.
Now this comes as a surprise to them, and that can backfire.
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Originally Posted by ICUROOK View Post
lol, entitlement? I guess it is called entitlement these days when you enforce a RECIPROCAL agreement and don't let a major treat you like dirt while you consistently roll out the red carpet for them.

I can just imagine nits like bitwiser dropping their monocle into their soup screaming "how dare they!"
Serious question folks. At Delta, does a delta pilot get priority on a delta flight operated by republic ahead of an AA guy? Similarly, does a republic pilot get a delta mainline jumpseat ahead of an AA guy since he “operates” for Delta? Asking because I don’t know. Same question regarding United. Thanks
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It’s an AA flight. When Republic builds a brand and sells its own tickets, you’ll get to make the rules. AA dictates priority on their flights, not RAH.
You're right. That's why we didn't change the priority. Jumpseating is not nonreving. Is this really such a hard concept for AA and WO pilots to grasp?

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Originally Posted by jetflyer123 View Post
Serious question folks. At Delta, does a delta pilot get priority on a delta flight operated by republic ahead of an AA guy? Similarly, does a republic pilot get a delta mainline jumpseat ahead of an AA guy since he “operates” for Delta? Asking because I don’t know. Same question regarding United. Thanks
You have been told multiple times that the answer to your questions is yes

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Again, we happen to work for all 3 airlines, and many bases don't really have discretion to work for just one carrier except MIA and ORD mostly. We can be awarded or reassigned to any codeshare at any time. You can even bid/pickup pairings on a different codeshare in the same day. However, if we do get reassigned to work another carrier, the other carrier is responsible for carriage of us on deadheads, ground segments, etc. I will never deadhead on AA to work a DL pairing. How a pilot commutes to work is his/her own separate prerogative. That's primarily what's up for discussion. The way our reciprocal jumpseat agreements work with DL and UA on mainline or other commute carriers is own metal, then affiliated pilots by seniority, then everyone else. AA's policy on mainline/other Eagle is AA/WO, everyone else. Can you see how that's a disadvantage to those of us that bring home the bacon for AAG? We're asking AA to create an affiliated category for the jumpseat like is industry standard everywhere else. This whole thing is about our guys getting screwed when we contribute to AA's bottomline over someone that doesn't. The affects everyone down line whether you want to admit it or not. It's so simple, really.

We aren't arguing priority in the back. That is what it is. We're barely on the bus with our priority now, but we accept that as part of our contract of employment. Unlike SkyWest, we don't choose the codeshare we work for, which is why we don't have the same travel benefit agreements as they do (only receive benefits on the codeshare you operate in base, etc.)
Your argument is you’re contributing to the AA bottom line, then in another sentence are saying you can be flying for any of the three mainlines.
Why should you get the JS priority over a Southwest guy if you’re going into work a United or Delta flight? Check in time treats everybody who isn’t AAG fairly.
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