Republic Airline Unilateral JS Action
09-11-2019, 03:59 AM
#621
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Originally Posted by AAfng
someone will correct me but I believe I have seen RHA pilots be A1'd onto an AE flight so that they could then fly a delta connection flight. Meanwhile I got bumped off the airplane as I was going to work to fly for AA. It was classic.
09-11-2019, 05:00 AM
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[QUOTE=Gone Flying;2885184]i was not there but this would be a direct violation of AAs agreement with RAH. (not rah but skywest) only times i have ever heard of pilots being pos. space to work they had to do it on whatever brand they were scheduled to fly, and reserves were not eligible in bases that supported more than 1 brand. eg if based in ATL commuting from DFW had to find a delta flight to be pos space on even if AA had more open seats
My army buddy at rha said it happens all the time, who’s stopping them or checking he said....answer “no one”.
My army buddy at rha said it happens all the time, who’s stopping them or checking he said....answer “no one”.
09-11-2019, 05:17 AM
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[QUOTE=AAfng;2885202]
That does not happen. The only time I've ever known it to happen is deadheading to operate an OE flight, because it still falls under the purview of training rather than flight ops. Even then it required a bunch of approvals from higher ups.
Our schedulers take that very seriously. We've stranded crews places because there weren't any flights on the carrier they were operating.
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
i was not there but this would be a direct violation of AAs agreement with RAH. (not rah but skywest) only times i have ever heard of pilots being pos. space to work they had to do it on whatever brand they were scheduled to fly, and reserves were not eligible in bases that supported more than 1 brand. eg if based in ATL commuting from DFW had to find a delta flight to be pos space on even if AA had more open seats
My army buddy at rha said it happens all the time, who’s stopping them or checking he said....answer “no one”.
My army buddy at rha said it happens all the time, who’s stopping them or checking he said....answer “no one”.
Our schedulers take that very seriously. We've stranded crews places because there weren't any flights on the carrier they were operating.
09-11-2019, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
So, as a commuter with zero skin in this whole thing (NK, commute on F9 and WN, long ago used to JS on AA): I get that the republic pilots feel they should be ahead of non AA related pilots, because you are operating AA flights and partially owned by AA, and I believe you when you tell me you get that on UA and DL.
Personally, I think you should only get priority if you are operating for that carrier (so only DL priority if you are doing DL flying aso, might be a bit messy for IT, but it is 2019, so it should be possible), and no priority if not travelling for duty or JSing to operate for other carriers.
I believe you when you republic pilots say you have been trying to change this for years but nothing has happened, I have been "here" since 1990, and nothing changes.
HOWEVER, if you think "reciprocal" includes trying to get an AA gate agent to change/make a listing for a JS for a mainline AA guy, while you as republic can list online, you are sadly mistaken (like I said, I used to JS on AA, The FAA is more your friend than the gate agent).
Maybe all of you should agree to not list online, but only list at the gate, and have AA pilots try to change their listing to D6 at the gate as the new procedure, let me know, I will put my uniform on (gotta get past KCM), get some popcorn and see that S-show at the gate....
Personally, I think you should only get priority if you are operating for that carrier (so only DL priority if you are doing DL flying aso, might be a bit messy for IT, but it is 2019, so it should be possible), and no priority if not travelling for duty or JSing to operate for other carriers.
I believe you when you republic pilots say you have been trying to change this for years but nothing has happened, I have been "here" since 1990, and nothing changes.
HOWEVER, if you think "reciprocal" includes trying to get an AA gate agent to change/make a listing for a JS for a mainline AA guy, while you as republic can list online, you are sadly mistaken (like I said, I used to JS on AA, The FAA is more your friend than the gate agent).
Maybe all of you should agree to not list online, but only list at the gate, and have AA pilots try to change their listing to D6 at the gate as the new procedure, let me know, I will put my uniform on (gotta get past KCM), get some popcorn and see that S-show at the gate....
I want to reiterate that being able to list online as a D6 does not affect our timestamp at all. We are still required to check-in at the gate in order to get on the priority list. And this check in at an AA gate is just as time-consuming as it is at a DL or UA gate where they list you and check you in. CASS has to be verified.
So, once again, while I think we all agree it's asinine that AAG can't list online as a D6 (and I've heard it's absolutely as simple as turning on the access, no coding or anything required), they are not losing anything by having to list at the gate. You'll never see a D6 on the priority list until an hour prior when they check in at the gate.
09-11-2019, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AAfng
someone will correct me but I believe I have seen RHA pilots be A1'd onto an AE flight so that they could then fly a delta connection flight. Meanwhile I got bumped off the airplane as I was going to work to fly for AA. It was classic.
You can "fake" it and non rev out of EWR but it's at your peril at that point and your back to the priority for jumpseaters/non-rev.
09-11-2019, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Funkster1
Do Republic pilots only do flying for one Mainline Carrier at a time? If so, I would agree that they should come below AAL/wholly owned AE pilots for the Jumpseat on AA/AE. If not, it would not be fair for Delta, United, etc pilots to be behind Republic pilots that are flying Delta Connection or United Express flights.
So how do Republic pilots fly their flying???
So how do Republic pilots fly their flying???
Beyond that, they stay separate.
09-11-2019, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Funkster1
Do Republic pilots only do flying for one Mainline Carrier at a time? If so, I would agree that they should come below AAL/wholly owned AE pilots for the Jumpseat on AA/AE. If not, it would not be fair for Delta, United, etc pilots to be behind Republic pilots that are flying Delta Connection or United Express flights.
So how do Republic pilots fly their flying???
So how do Republic pilots fly their flying???
If you're on reserve in EWR / LGA you could be limo'd (uber) to any of the three airports to fly any of the three code shares.
If you're on reserve in EWR and they want you to fly AA ORD-PHL, they'll drive you to LGA to put you on AA to get to ORD as opposed to putting you on one of the hourly flights on UA to ORD out of EWR.
09-11-2019, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Web265
I'll correct you. That didn't happen. I was deadheaded all over the system for the first six months here on reserve. You only positive spaced on the metal you were flying for. If based at EWR and flying an AA flight out of say MIA, they uber you to LGA to get an AA to MIA as opposed to putting you on a UA flight out of EWR. (just an example, no idea if the routes listed are correct).
You can "fake" it and non rev out of EWR but it's at your peril at that point and your back to the priority for jumpseaters/non-rev.
You can "fake" it and non rev out of EWR but it's at your peril at that point and your back to the priority for jumpseaters/non-rev.
09-11-2019, 06:17 AM
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It was awhile ago, early 2018. I am old so my memory is fading fast so like I said, I could be wrong or have the specifics all screwed up. But my Army buddy did tell me that.
It happens on the AE side also, Envoy/PSA guys getting positive space to work after it becomes clear they are behind me on the list and they wont get on the airplane. It really sucks when you watch it happen in real time.
It happens on the AE side also, Envoy/PSA guys getting positive space to work after it becomes clear they are behind me on the list and they wont get on the airplane. It really sucks when you watch it happen in real time.
09-11-2019, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AAfng
It was awhile ago, early 2018. I am old so my memory is fading fast so like I said, I could be wrong or have the specifics all screwed up. But my Army buddy did tell me that.
It happens on the AE side also, Envoy/PSA guys getting positive space to work after it becomes clear they are behind me on the list and they wont get on the airplane. It really sucks when you watch it happen in real time.
It happens on the AE side also, Envoy/PSA guys getting positive space to work after it becomes clear they are behind me on the list and they wont get on the airplane. It really sucks when you watch it happen in real time.
And yeah, that would really suck. I've never seen anything like that happen at YX.
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