Usajobs.gov FAA has jobs posted. Obviously a big commitment to OKC for a couple years of training though.

 

LOL. Yeah, well why wasn’t that number released BEFORE the bid??? Hmmmmm...

 

I went to law school after 9/11. My pilot brother went to dental school. Would not recommend either. Would not recommend any schooling for that matter. Go to the trades. Get a welding certificate, for example. Learn a skilled trade. Get recalled. Start your own welding business (or whatever trade) . Honestly, don't waste your time or money on a MS, JD, DDS, PharmD or whatever. You will then always be in the driver's seat in this career - it won't be able to f*ck you again.

 

Well those are the numbers they are using. Isn’t that obvious? 1600? The original number that was forecast for summer 2021 overage. And now we gave them the ability to go ahead and not pay 522 more in the meantime, but have them ready for June 2021. If they furlough the entire 2100-2300 now, they’d be unable to staff the forecast for next summer, which they are apparently still using. So instead of having to pay that 522 that they really still apparently want to have here next summer, the numbskulls at APA just drove the bus over us and said “here you go Doug, you can just not give them a paycheck and they’ll still be here! You’re welcome!” WTF!!!??

I almost can’t even believe it, and I guarantee you AA management can’t even believe that “we” agreed to it. The APA can’t even stay out of their own way, they are just tripping over themselves with incompetence..

 

Unless you are planning on making a permanent change to those other professions, I agree with you. Short time to train and able to make decent money. Unless everything goes in the toilet and stays there, trades, truck driving, even furniture assembly, etc. are always in demand.

 

You guys are both on the BOD, aren’t you?

Stop. Being. So. Gullible.

 

Look into getting a real estate license. Doesn’t take too long. and for some reason that sector is booming right now (outside of NY and CA that is).

 

Thanks, y'all!

And thank you for the advice about picking up a trade. I think that'll be the fastest and most reliable ROI. It could always be worse.

 

About what? I haven’t expressed my opinion on this other than I thought It was gonna be worse and still think it will get worse. I’m still trying to figure out if it’s cheaper for the company to furlough or offer a ZTL. ZTL they pay for your benefits on the company side of things where as furlough they don’t. I’ve heard about furlough pay too but not sure which is cheaper for the company. I expect them to go the cheaper route.

Hope. That. Computes.


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Their bean counters definitely had a break-even point calculated and a number in their brains when it came to AML and ZTL's. It is definitely cheaper to furlough after a certain amount of time. The 522 ZTL's are there purely to absorb surge and training backups until they start calling people off furlough and I'm sure there was a cost/risk analysis done on that one. It's hard to understand without seeing a breakdown of how many people bid and what they bid for versus who got what they bid for. What I don't understand is that there were unconditional ZTL's given. Was there no one else underneath 1,605 that bid a ZTL? I bid one and I am under 1,605. Why were these given to people above the 2,500 line when they could have been given to more junior people? These questions can't be answered without knowing how many AML's and ZTL's were available in each bid status. Some people may have only bid these at one or two bases where other people bid the options at every base we have. Who knows if someone from LAX got a ZTL to BOS or PHL?

I believe the bennies cost the company somewhere around $2,500 per month per pilot. That's a lot of money for someone who isn't making the company money. Add that to the 20 hour incentive pay. How much does it cost them to recall and retrain a pilot?