Furlough Estimates
08-20-2020, 05:10 AM
#982
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I thought that TTOT still remaining on was just a bandaid to hold us over until TTS 2.0 was implemented ? And doing away with TTOT is something that the APA membership votes on and ratified as part of LBFO2? If that’s correct I don’t see how this is a shock to anyone on property. They have been talking about it for years. This may not be correct but this is my understanding of it all as an airways guy.
08-20-2020, 05:18 AM
#983
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The most shocking thing about everything that has happened recently is how in a matter of months we at AA went from being the envy of the industry with our LOAs back in April, to the laughing stock of it now.
Other Airlines and their unions are watching as APA blatantly tells 2500 pilots they're not worth saving. They're not important enough. Other airlines are bending over backwards to save their pilots from furlough. Or as many as possible at the least.
APA? Let's throw 2500 (or as many as it takes) pilots on the street rather than risk our senior pilots "only" make $25k a month vs $28k. There needs to be a serious reckoning of APA after all this dust settles.
Other Airlines and their unions are watching as APA blatantly tells 2500 pilots they're not worth saving. They're not important enough. Other airlines are bending over backwards to save their pilots from furlough. Or as many as possible at the least.
APA? Let's throw 2500 (or as many as it takes) pilots on the street rather than risk our senior pilots "only" make $25k a month vs $28k. There needs to be a serious reckoning of APA after all this dust settles.
08-20-2020, 05:42 AM
#984
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Originally Posted by Varks
TTS 2.0 yes? No? I’m confused. I think the intent of 2.0 is to cut down on pilots trading amongst groups formed within particular 3 part bid statuses. Also to discourage the use of third party bidding programs and influencers. LightSaber for instance. Senior pilots not willing to fork over money to play the game are envious of junior people who are savvy and able to get primo trips that would Normally go to senior pilots.
08-20-2020, 06:32 AM
#985
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Ex Us Airways/America West guys feel free to chime in. But I see a very disturbing pattern emerging.
When up against the wall, Doug Parker is likely to panic and revert to his old trusted ways. Sure, Vasu talked a big game. But he's old AMR and saw first hand how bad decisions work. He most likely is on one page while Parker is on another.
Doug is feeling the squeeze, and it won't be long before we see him dust off his old playbook. Not because it works but because it's familiar to him:
Shrink to profitability. Bankruptcy. Attempted mergers. Rinse and repeat as many times as needed. Basically he will turn AA into Us Airways circa 2007. A larger mid size domestic airline with token international routes.
APA better wake up. They're going to learn what it means to sink or swim together. They're selling out a large chunk of our pilot group now, but soon it'll be their precious senior wide body pilots getting bent over without even the courtesy of lube.
When up against the wall, Doug Parker is likely to panic and revert to his old trusted ways. Sure, Vasu talked a big game. But he's old AMR and saw first hand how bad decisions work. He most likely is on one page while Parker is on another.
Doug is feeling the squeeze, and it won't be long before we see him dust off his old playbook. Not because it works but because it's familiar to him:
Shrink to profitability. Bankruptcy. Attempted mergers. Rinse and repeat as many times as needed. Basically he will turn AA into Us Airways circa 2007. A larger mid size domestic airline with token international routes.
APA better wake up. They're going to learn what it means to sink or swim together. They're selling out a large chunk of our pilot group now, but soon it'll be their precious senior wide body pilots getting bent over without even the courtesy of lube.
08-20-2020, 09:52 AM
#988
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Originally Posted by Sandwich Artist
How many airlines has Doug Parker taken through Chapter 11?
Zero.
Zero.
I think everyone would benefit from taking a step back for a couple days. We don’t know what management is thinking. We don’t know what APA is thinking as NDAs have been signed. We don’t know if there will be furloughs. We don’t know if these LOAs saved any jobs or killed any jobs — that leaves us knowing, well, pretty much nothing.
I am neither defending nor denouncing the actions of the union or the company. I will know enough to do so probably by tomorrow or the next day. At that point I will pass judgement, but not before then.
We should exercise some sound judgement and not publicly castigate the union we are members of, letting the company know how divided some of you are before the die is even cast. Many questions will be answered in the next 24-48 hours. Trust me, you can wait.
Last edited by sanicom3205; 08-20-2020 at 10:02 AM.
08-20-2020, 11:22 AM
#990
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Originally Posted by FetaCheese
The most shocking thing about everything that has happened recently is how in a matter of months we at AA went from being the envy of the industry with our LOAs back in April, to the laughing stock of it now.
Other Airlines and their unions are watching as APA blatantly tells 2500 pilots they're not worth saving. They're not important enough. Other airlines are bending over backwards to save their pilots from furlough. Or as many as possible at the least.
APA? Let's throw 2500 (or as many as it takes) pilots on the street rather than risk our senior pilots "only" make $25k a month vs $28k. There needs to be a serious reckoning of APA after all this dust settles.
Other Airlines and their unions are watching as APA blatantly tells 2500 pilots they're not worth saving. They're not important enough. Other airlines are bending over backwards to save their pilots from furlough. Or as many as possible at the least.
APA? Let's throw 2500 (or as many as it takes) pilots on the street rather than risk our senior pilots "only" make $25k a month vs $28k. There needs to be a serious reckoning of APA after all this dust settles.
APA has done this since the beginning of time. Look at the TWA merger.
This is an ugly event. Guys are going to be on the street. It won't be pretty. People will act and vote in their own self interest.
The government cheese is just kicking the can down the road. Outside of getting nationalized like the post office, the outcome is inevitable.
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