it’s not a concession. It’s what this Industry was back in it’s golden years. More time off and not flying 85-90 hours. It’s what we were seeking in section six.

 

An ALV reduction was something the Union was trying to achieve in section 6. Do you enjoy the company slamming 89 hours of flying onto your schedule every month? If your answer is for some reason “yes” you can always just go pick up a trip to get to 89 off of your awarded 78.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

 

"willing to discuss" and being anywhere near a mutually agreeable solution are worlds apart. They left out the part about what cost they would have attached to any agreement. It sure won't be free out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

Well, we will never know because the Union didn’t ask.

 

APA stabbed us in the back. Plain and simple. They were perfectly fine with throwing 2500 pilots out on the street with no pay during the worst economic crisis since the 1930s. But they refuse to save those 2500 by reducing the average line value for all by a couple of hours. Just a few hours means absolutely nothing in the long run. Particularly when you can attach a time limit to it. For pilots making north of $200k a year, 4 or 5 less hours on average a month means nothing. 99% of them can fly more than that during MU anyway.

This was deplorable on the part of APA. Made even worse by the fact that they continue to defend it so adamantly. I'm against outright concessions, such as touching our hourly pay. But this is an example of when screaming "no concessions" without any other context backfires. We need a complete revamp of APA. Every single current Chair and Vice Chair needs to be replaced.

 

this is incorrect. If you get a line worth 30hrs, then add a trip for ten hours you will still get paid 70. U will only exceed 70 in this case if you add an additional 40hrs of time.

 

Yes. I nominate you to the NC. And if you don’t come up with a better LOA that absolutely eliminates all furloughs, keeps the current pay rate, keeps all minimum guarantees, eradicates all viruses, restores passenger demand, and cures cancer, I will call for your head.

Give it a break, man. If you can do a better job, then run for office and put your money where your mouth is. APC rants are cheap. Solutions are hard to come by.


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No. What nuball wrote is exactly how the LOA works at JB.

 

I'll openly admit I am speaking from no expertise, just my own opinion. I am with you, I didn't like (obviously pre-covid) that the ALV was in the 80's and I was always shacked with 85 or so hours. Ergo, Why didn't we discuss ALV as part of a furlough mitigation option (as you said, it was discussed in Section 6)? I know I don't have as much info as the union reps do, I just would have liked an explanation as to why it wasn't even considered. I know union work can be thankless, so I am not necessarily chucking spears...I just would have liked to know the reasoning.

 

Yeah, we can all benefit from a union that isn't top heavy and only looks out for the interest of the most senior members. This isn't a new thing for APA. It's always been a caution regarding them long before Covid.

And yes, being vocal and expressing grievances is exactly what we should all do. It's how any democracy works from nations to unions. Telling someone "if you don't like it do something yourself" is a cheap and pathetic reasoning. By that logic we should all just roll over and accept anything that comes down our way. Maybe that's great for you. It's definitely not how the rest of us work..