Furlough Estimates
08-16-2020, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I read that the lack of a cares decision is killing our scheduling for October. All the planning is up in the air and company isn’t able to make informed decisions on schedule load.
08-16-2020, 06:17 AM
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It's definitely a sh*t sandwich for all the airlines. I'm not one to normally give management a pass, but overall I think AA is doing the best they can. I certainly don't get the impression that they're intentionally trying to keep us in the dark.
08-16-2020, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by biigD
It's definitely a sh*t sandwich for all the airlines. I'm not one to normally give management a pass, but overall I think AA is doing the best they can. I certainly don't get the impression that they're intentionally trying to keep us in the dark.
08-16-2020, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Battlinbear
Agree 100% they have been completely honest since it all went down in March. it’s not their fault we are here. Nor is its the employees. They have done all they can to save as many jobs as possible. About to find out if APA did the same for their members. Sure hope so.
08-16-2020, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Just curious how this is APA’s fault? No other Major has agreed to ALV reductions that I know of. Let’s say APA does agree to an ALV reduction and then CARES 2 passes. Well then you took a concession you didn’t need to take. It’s a crap sandwich to all and placing blame on one side or another is disingenuous in my opinion. I think some credit is due APA for leading the industry with being the leader on negotiating early retirements and leaves.
Jetblue has an ALV reduction LOA.
08-17-2020, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
ALV reductions are a concession?
Jetblue has an ALV reduction LOA.
Jetblue has an ALV reduction LOA.
Even though ALV reductions require artificially high staffing number to cover the same number of block hours. If anything ALV reduction is a gain for the pilot group. It makes us less efficient.
08-17-2020, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
To some people anything that they think remotely benefits the company is a concession.
Even though ALV reductions require artificially high staffing number to cover the same number of block hours. If anything ALV reduction is a gain for the pilot group. It makes us less efficient.
Even though ALV reductions require artificially high staffing number to cover the same number of block hours. If anything ALV reduction is a gain for the pilot group. It makes us less efficient.
I’d like to know what the terms of an alv that the company offered. If they’re allowing guys to hang around on a ztl or train while furloughed to keep their benefits, then I’m positive they would have considered alvs.
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08-17-2020, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Just curious how this is APA’s fault? No other Major has agreed to ALV reductions that I know of. Let’s say APA does agree to an ALV reduction and then CARES 2 passes. Well then you took a concession you didn’t need to take. It’s a crap sandwich to all and placing blame on one side or another is disingenuous in my opinion. I think some credit is due APA for leading the industry with being the leader on negotiating early retirements and leaves.
08-17-2020, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
ALV reductions are a concession?
Jetblue has an ALV reduction LOA.
Jetblue has an ALV reduction LOA.
08-17-2020, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Yes, it most definitely is whether it be temporary or permanent. A concession is anything that reduces pay, work rules or benefits. In the case of an ALV reduction its a pay cut...... If I used to get 68 hours of pay and now I get 50 hours of pay that's a big pay cut.
You don’t know how an ALV reduction works then. Pilot X gets awarded a line value of 30 hours, still gets paid 70 hours. Adds a trip from open time of 10 hours, gets paid 80 hours.
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