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Old 08-25-2020 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
that overstuffing was based on numbers from what March or April? The recovery hasn’t happened since then and they were counting on it. To use numbers quoted back then wouldn’t be fair to the pilot group or even the company.

Yeah read the memo they were gonna furlough over 2100 and we mitigated it back to the starting point.
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Old 08-25-2020 | 09:48 AM
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So 1,605 pilots being involuntarily furloughed along with 522 ZTL in lieu of furlough pilots makes 2,127 on either a regular furlough or a ZTL furlough...So what was the starting point of furloughs for the company??? 2,500 or 2,300??? how many did these measures SAVE anyone from being furloughed or pushed into a ZTL?
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Old 08-25-2020 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
So it's a pure coincidence huh? The company said they would be overstaffed by 1,600. Then they furlough 1,600. And it's a coincidence.
I thought it was 1605? Sounds like a coincidence to me. No clue about any ZTL numbers or any of that stuff. I thought it was gonna be way worse than it was.
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Old 08-25-2020 | 09:53 AM
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Missed it by that much! Guess I’ll go learn how to weld or maybe try some of that new fangled computer hacking programmer coding the kids are all talking about.
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Old 08-25-2020 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FeedTheYote
Missed it by that much! Guess I’ll go learn how to weld or maybe try some of that new fangled computer hacking programmer coding the kids are all talking about.
sorry to hear. hopefully this will be short.
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Old 08-25-2020 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dobbs18
So 1,605 pilots being involuntarily furloughed along with 522 ZTL in lieu of furlough pilots makes 2,127 on either a regular furlough or a ZTL furlough...So what was the starting point of furloughs for the company??? 2,500 or 2,300??? how many did these measures SAVE anyone from being furloughed or pushed into a ZTL?
And what about the month on/month off option? Where is that?
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Old 08-25-2020 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy2020
And what about the month on/month off option? Where is that?
Right. or maybe the permanent leaves. Yea... about that... Solid LOAs that were so good they got approved 20-0

Least they can do now is push AA to Mmax every month to 80
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Old 08-25-2020 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FeedTheYote
Missed it by that much! Guess I’ll go learn how to weld or maybe try some of that new fangled computer hacking programmer coding the kids are all talking about.
Everyone else’s speculation, accusation, and condemnations don’t mean a lot to a guy who’s at the point where the rubber meets the road. I’m terribly sorry you (and the other 1,599 pilots) are taking the brunt of this. I *REALLY* hope it’s short lived and I wish you the best of luck during your separation.
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Old 08-25-2020 | 01:03 PM
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Default For us on the bottom of the dog pile...

For those at the bottom of the dog pile what would some of the senior pilots recommend we do? In my estimation, which frankly is a total shot in the dark, I cannot see the bottom 500 getting called back until at least 18 months out. We've dumped a bunch of planes, many of those set to retire have already jumped off, so I'm thinking I may need to brush up on my hardware skills. Thoughts? Yes, I have a family and children who depend upon me. No boat payment though, so there's that. Yes, I do have savings but two years is a serious stretch and I just road out that first year pay.
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Old 08-25-2020 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by charchar
For those at the bottom of the dog pile what would some of the senior pilots recommend we do? In my estimation, which frankly is a total shot in the dark, I cannot see the bottom 500 getting called back until at least 18 months out. We've dumped a bunch of planes, many of those set to retire have already jumped off, so I'm thinking I may need to brush up on my hardware skills. Thoughts? Yes, I have a family and children who depend upon me. No boat payment though, so there's that. Yes, I do have savings but two years is a serious stretch and I just road out that first year pay.
Piggybacking to also seek advice of those previously furloughed.

Assuming I can’t land a flying job anywhere, my plan is to get an appointment with a career counselor at the local college. Hopefully they can match my skills and experience to a trade that’s growing and pays okay. From there my plan is the typical rat race - just work harder and better than anyone else and work my way up into management. If we sell everything I think we can make it long enough for me to pick up a trade.
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