Furlough Estimates
06-17-2020 | 02:07 PM
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Doggiepoo is a big internet tough guy, his tombstone will read “here lies a jerkoff who was very active on internet message boards for 4 months on 2020.” If you presented your argument with better tact, you might actually help guys through this, but like so many in this business, you got hosed and now wish it on the next generation. Hope you make some dough shorting AA stock you prick.
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06-17-2020 | 06:14 PM
#104
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Just flew through Charlotte to Vegas. Full airport full airplanes.
Any idea on how Americans daily cash burn is doing right now? Daily pax flown? That sort of thing. Looked like they were doing pretty well to me.
Any idea on how Americans daily cash burn is doing right now? Daily pax flown? That sort of thing. Looked like they were doing pretty well to me.
06-17-2020 | 08:29 PM
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It just amazes me. In over 40 years in this industry how you young pilots are always so delusional. Especially you flow through guys. You know exactly how to fix everything. UAL just "sweetened" it's exit deal for personnel, Again, if you knew anything about airline history, bankruptcies since deregulation, you would know that SWA "plan" is Exactly how Every airline ended up in bankruptcy last time. As stated earlier. Your company is in debt up to it's hairline. SWA at least has cash on hand already. The only reason your management has not spoken to you about furloughs is because it would be completely fruitless and a waste of time. You are the first to head into bankruptcy court and will end up on the copping block. Cut up into pieces for UAL,SWA and DL to scavenge your carcass. You think it is all a joke. That I have some beef with AA or something. But when an old timer like me reads these boards and reads yours as opposed to the others. Your delusions of grandeur are beyond limit. Wake up little boys. My only sorrow is for those friends that stayed at AA from TWA and are going to get shafted again. At least they know the drill. You young kids are about to find out the hard way. Just look at the terminals. Look at the type of passenger traveling right now. They are Greyhound people. Very few businessmen. Ticket prices for the few that are traveling are so low they are attracting the people that are getting the extra $600.xx above unemployment. TSA numbers reflect exactly that. Nowhere near enough of a rise in pax load factor to pay for all those shiny new airplanes sitting on the ground. Your CEO is already looking for a way out of the financial mess and Wall Street has already asked him his plan and if that plan is bankruptcy. 30% is a good number to start with just like every other major. When the sale and bankruptcy come it's a staple if you are lucky. Probably not because AA mainline is not ALPA. Your regionals being ALPA are meaningless. The word is out about you young guys and the big freight companies will not take you on the rebound. Good luck, October 1 is. about 90 days away.
06-18-2020 | 05:01 AM
#106
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The “furloughs don’t make sense until 18 months” assumes you can make payroll and that you know demand will return. Neither applies here.
there may or may not be furloughs, but if cash is tight today, mgmt will figure out tomorrow tomorrow
there may or may not be furloughs, but if cash is tight today, mgmt will figure out tomorrow tomorrow
06-18-2020 | 05:29 AM
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It just amazes me. In over 40 years in this industry how you young pilots are always so delusional. Especially you flow through guys. You know exactly how to fix everything. UAL just "sweetened" it's exit deal for personnel, Again, if you knew anything about airline history, bankruptcies since deregulation, you would know that SWA "plan" is Exactly how Every airline ended up in bankruptcy last time. As stated earlier. Your company is in debt up to it's hairline. SWA at least has cash on hand already. The only reason your management has not spoken to you about furloughs is because it would be completely fruitless and a waste of time. You are the first to head into bankruptcy court and will end up on the copping block. Cut up into pieces for UAL,SWA and DL to scavenge your carcass. You think it is all a joke. That I have some beef with AA or something. But when an old timer like me reads these boards and reads yours as opposed to the others. Your delusions of grandeur are beyond limit. Wake up little boys. My only sorrow is for those friends that stayed at AA from TWA and are going to get shafted again. At least they know the drill. You young kids are about to find out the hard way. Just look at the terminals. Look at the type of passenger traveling right now. They are Greyhound people. Very few businessmen. Ticket prices for the few that are traveling are so low they are attracting the people that are getting the extra $600.xx above unemployment. TSA numbers reflect exactly that. Nowhere near enough of a rise in pax load factor to pay for all those shiny new airplanes sitting on the ground. Your CEO is already looking for a way out of the financial mess and Wall Street has already asked him his plan and if that plan is bankruptcy. 30% is a good number to start with just like every other major. When the sale and bankruptcy come it's a staple if you are lucky. Probably not because AA mainline is not ALPA. Your regionals being ALPA are meaningless. The word is out about you young guys and the big freight companies will not take you on the rebound. Good luck, October 1 is. about 90 days away.
OK Boomer.
06-18-2020 | 05:55 AM
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It just amazes me. In over 40 years in this industry how you young pilots are always so delusional. Especially you flow through guys. You know exactly how to fix everything. UAL just "sweetened" it's exit deal for personnel, Again, if you knew anything about airline history, bankruptcies since deregulation, you would know that SWA "plan" is Exactly how Every airline ended up in bankruptcy last time. As stated earlier. Your company is in debt up to it's hairline. SWA at least has cash on hand already. The only reason your management has not spoken to you about furloughs is because it would be completely fruitless and a waste of time. You are the first to head into bankruptcy court and will end up on the copping block. Cut up into pieces for UAL,SWA and DL to scavenge your carcass. You think it is all a joke. That I have some beef with AA or something. But when an old timer like me reads these boards and reads yours as opposed to the others. Your delusions of grandeur are beyond limit. Wake up little boys. My only sorrow is for those friends that stayed at AA from TWA and are going to get shafted again. At least they know the drill. You young kids are about to find out the hard way. Just look at the terminals. Look at the type of passenger traveling right now. They are Greyhound people. Very few businessmen. Ticket prices for the few that are traveling are so low they are attracting the people that are getting the extra $600.xx above unemployment. TSA numbers reflect exactly that. Nowhere near enough of a rise in pax load factor to pay for all those shiny new airplanes sitting on the ground. Your CEO is already looking for a way out of the financial mess and Wall Street has already asked him his plan and if that plan is bankruptcy. 30% is a good number to start with just like every other major. When the sale and bankruptcy come it's a staple if you are lucky. Probably not because AA mainline is not ALPA. Your regionals being ALPA are meaningless. The word is out about you young guys and the big freight companies will not take you on the rebound. Good luck, October 1 is. about 90 days away.
TSA numbers
AA is in debt because they bought new airplanes.
06-18-2020 | 06:06 AM
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You guys are getting trolled by someone’s sock puppet account. Lots of those popping up since February. Perhaps a little more moderation and a little less pontification on every subject/topic on this site, eh RickAir777?
06-18-2020 | 08:01 AM
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I like his response. I don't agree with it but it was interesting to read. It is a little overdone, like a caricature of a grumpy old guy, but whatever.
"You young kids"
"After 40 years in this industry"
"Get off my lawn" etc etc
"You young kids"
"After 40 years in this industry"
"Get off my lawn" etc etc
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