Furlough Estimates
06-17-2020, 11:46 AM
#91
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 20
Originally Posted by Dobbs18
TWA....now we know the beef with AA...fyi I wasnt around for that so dont start some ****ing tirade with me about how you took it in the shorts...why not try a different approach to life, I bet you and the unfortunate people around you would be alot happier?!
Read it and weep. Your time will come. This industry does it to most. If you actually are, dare I say, fortunate enough to make it to 65. The industry will literally bring you down to earth. If you heed the warnings to live prudently. If not. Well, sucks to be you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/b...ak-future.html
06-17-2020, 11:47 AM
#92
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Posts: 378
Twa guys are all the same. We get it, you got screwed, aal sucks butt, and you know it all. I just had a dude at the atrium give me a whole unsolicited rundown on how he got screwed. I didnt even start the conversation with him, it must eat at him 24x7
06-17-2020, 11:55 AM
#93
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,447
Originally Posted by DoggiePoo
It just amazes me. In over 40 years in this industry how you young pilots are always so delusional. Especially you flow through guys. You know exactly how to fix everything. UAL just "sweetened" it's exit deal for personnel, Again, if you knew anything about airline history, bankruptcies since deregulation, you would know that SWA "plan" is Exactly how Every airline ended up in bankruptcy last time. As stated earlier. Your company is in debt up to it's hairline. SWA at least has cash on hand already. The only reason your management has not spoken to you about furloughs is because it would be completely fruitless and a waste of time. You are the first to head into bankruptcy court and will end up on the copping block. Cut up into pieces for UAL,SWA and DL to scavenge your carcass. You think it is all a joke. That I have some beef with AA or something. But when an old timer like me reads these boards and reads yours as opposed to the others. Your delusions of grandeur are beyond limit. Wake up little boys. My only sorrow is for those friends that stayed at AA from TWA and are going to get shafted again. At least they know the drill. You young kids are about to find out the hard way. Just look at the terminals. Look at the type of passenger traveling right now. They are Greyhound people. Very few businessmen. Ticket prices for the few that are traveling are so low they are attracting the people that are getting the extra $600.xx above unemployment. TSA numbers reflect exactly that. Nowhere near enough of a rise in pax load factor to pay for all those shiny new airplanes sitting on the ground. Your CEO is already looking for a way out of the financial mess and Wall Street has already asked him his plan and if that plan is bankruptcy. 30% is a good number to start with just like every other major. When the sale and bankruptcy come it's a staple if you are lucky. Probably not because AA mainline is not ALPA. Your regionals being ALPA are meaningless. The word is out about you young guys and the big freight companies will not take you on the rebound. Good luck, October 1 is. about 90 days away.
06-17-2020, 12:19 PM
#94
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 589
Originally Posted by DoggiePoo
Read it and weep. Your time will come. This industry does it to most. If you actually are, dare I say, fortunate enough to make it to 65. The industry will literally bring you down to earth. If you heed the warnings to live prudently. If not. Well, sucks to be you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/b...ak-future.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/b...ak-future.html
06-17-2020, 12:41 PM
#96
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: Bus drivins’ harder on ur head than on ur feet
Posts: 94
Originally Posted by Armyguy
Twa guys are all the same. We get it, you got screwed, aal sucks butt, and you know it all. I just had a dude at the atrium give me a whole unsolicited rundown on how he got screwed. I didnt even start the conversation with him, it must eat at him 24x7
I’ve never met a T-way pilot I didn’t like. I flew with a lot of them as a new hire at Eagle, and then again after flowing. Never once heard them *****ing about anything. The FA’s are the best as well.
Maybe you caught the single outlier?
06-17-2020, 12:46 PM
#97
You scratched my anchor
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,878
Originally Posted by Dobbs18
you are ACTUALLY rooting for pain and suffering for a fellow pilot! Unbelievable...why dont you call my 8 and 6 year old kids and you can tell them that you are hoping for their Dad to lose his job while you're at it?! This is the last time I will waste time responding to you, have a nice life Richard.
06-17-2020, 01:07 PM
#98
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 482
Originally Posted by DoggiePoo
It just amazes me. In over 40 years in this industry how you young pilots are always so delusional. Especially you flow through guys. You know exactly how to fix everything. UAL just "sweetened" it's exit deal for personnel, Again, if you knew anything about airline history, bankruptcies since deregulation, you would know that SWA "plan" is Exactly how Every airline ended up in bankruptcy last time. As stated earlier. Your company is in debt up to it's hairline. SWA at least has cash on hand already. The only reason your management has not spoken to you about furloughs is because it would be completely fruitless and a waste of time. You are the first to head into bankruptcy court and will end up on the copping block. Cut up into pieces for UAL,SWA and DL to scavenge your carcass. You think it is all a joke. That I have some beef with AA or something. But when an old timer like me reads these boards and reads yours as opposed to the others. Your delusions of grandeur are beyond limit. Wake up little boys. My only sorrow is for those friends that stayed at AA from TWA and are going to get shafted again. At least they know the drill. You young kids are about to find out the hard way. Just look at the terminals. Look at the type of passenger traveling right now. They are Greyhound people. Very few businessmen. Ticket prices for the few that are traveling are so low they are attracting the people that are getting the extra $600.xx above unemployment. TSA numbers reflect exactly that. Nowhere near enough of a rise in pax load factor to pay for all those shiny new airplanes sitting on the ground. Your CEO is already looking for a way out of the financial mess and Wall Street has already asked him his plan and if that plan is bankruptcy. 30% is a good number to start with just like every other major. When the sale and bankruptcy come it's a staple if you are lucky. Probably not because AA mainline is not ALPA. Your regionals being ALPA are meaningless. The word is out about you young guys and the big freight companies will not take you on the rebound. Good luck, October 1 is. about 90 days away.
06-17-2020, 02:06 PM
#100
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 713
Furlough Estimates
Originally Posted by DoggiePoo
It just amazes me. In over 40 years in this industry how you young pilots are always so delusional. Especially you flow through guys. You know exactly how to fix everything. UAL just "sweetened" it's exit deal for personnel, Again, if you knew anything about airline history, bankruptcies since deregulation, you would know that SWA "plan" is Exactly how Every airline ended up in bankruptcy last time. As stated earlier. Your company is in debt up to it's hairline. SWA at least has cash on hand already. The only reason your management has not spoken to you about furloughs is because it would be completely fruitless and a waste of time. You are the first to head into bankruptcy court and will end up on the copping block. Cut up into pieces for UAL,SWA and DL to scavenge your carcass. You think it is all a joke. That I have some beef with AA or something. But when an old timer like me reads these boards and reads yours as opposed to the others. Your delusions of grandeur are beyond limit. Wake up little boys. My only sorrow is for those friends that stayed at AA from TWA and are going to get shafted again. At least they know the drill. You young kids are about to find out the hard way. Just look at the terminals. Look at the type of passenger traveling right now. They are Greyhound people. Very few businessmen. Ticket prices for the few that are traveling are so low they are attracting the people that are getting the extra $600.xx above unemployment. TSA numbers reflect exactly that. Nowhere near enough of a rise in pax load factor to pay for all those shiny new airplanes sitting on the ground. Your CEO is already looking for a way out of the financial mess and Wall Street has already asked him his plan and if that plan is bankruptcy. 30% is a good number to start with just like every other major. When the sale and bankruptcy come it's a staple if you are lucky. Probably not because AA mainline is not ALPA. Your regionals being ALPA are meaningless. The word is out about you young guys and the big freight companies will not take you on the rebound. Good luck, October 1 is. about 90 days away.
What’s amazing is you have zero clue how our “up to our hairline” debt is structured vs. UAL/DAL, and what that means.
But stay grumpy homes...
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