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biigD 08-04-2020 09:52 AM

I love the zero and alternate month lines with the option to pick up, but how is this going to
mitigate furloughs if the company has no idea what to expect from the pilot group?

Downtime 08-04-2020 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 3104774)
I love the zero and alternate month lines with the option to pick up, but how is this going to
mitigate furloughs if the company has no idea what to expect from the pilot group?


Alternate lines you work every other month. Zero credit lines you work or you go
to the box. They aren’t paying you u less you work.

FetaCheese 08-04-2020 10:12 AM

Also, with the zero time lines and alternating ones you can still pick up open time. That's kind of a game changer. Look at LOA 3 or whatever it's called. A junior pilot can volunteer for a zero time line rather than be furloughed and still be able to pick up open time.

biigD 08-04-2020 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Downtime (Post 3104785)
Alternate lines you work every other month. Zero credit lines you work or you go
to the box. They aren’t paying you u less you work.

I understand that, but the number of furloughs that occur would depend on the company having an idea of payroll costs down the road, no?

Edit: never mind, I misread the fine print. These aren’t month to month bids - six month increments!

Red Hawk 08-04-2020 10:46 AM

The new VEOP is an insult, especially after what the other majors offered their pilots. I do not think AA will get very many pilots taking that, if any. It does not look like AA is very serious about mitigating furloughs. Too bad.

crusher 08-04-2020 10:51 AM

I may have misread, but I read the zero credit lines as only being able to put in for premium. Meaning no make up (pick up form open time). Correct me if I’m wrong please.

FetaCheese 08-04-2020 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by crusher (Post 3104814)
I may have misread, but I read the zero credit lines as only being able to put in for premium. Meaning no make up (pick up form open time). Correct me if I’m wrong please.

No MU, but still able to TTS/TTOT and Premium.

blastoff 08-04-2020 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by nimslow (Post 3104769)
Some of the people with a reasonable A fund might, assuming they can start using it (since it's retirement, and not a permanent leave) but beyond that it seems like a pretty poor deal.

I think it’s specifically targeting those people. Considering the company is done giving VPLOA’s this is still a win.

ny797 08-04-2020 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by FetaCheese (Post 3104787)
Also, with the zero time lines and alternating ones you can still pick up open time. That's kind of a game changer. Look at LOA 3 or whatever it's called. A junior pilot can volunteer for a zero time line rather than be furloughed and still be able to pick up open time.


Better check yourself on that. I read it as with a zero time line you can use TTS, TTOT, and premium. With the alternating ones, pilots "will only be eligible to fly during the working bid month though contractual month of May 2021"

FetaCheese 08-04-2020 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by ny797 (Post 3104838)
Better check yourself on that. I read it as with a zero time line you can use TTS, TTOT, and premium. With the alternating ones, pilots "will only be eligible to fly during the working bid month though contractual month of May 2021"

I probably missed that part, but it still evens out. If every other month you credit 80 hours it comes out to 40 a month. With zero time and picking up enough trips you can get to 40 as well. Or more depending on how much open time there is.


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