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Originally Posted by FetaCheese
(Post 3106121)
Everyone realizes that all this talk of ztl is moot once the Cares Act gets extended, right? And as of 2 days ago, I was 50/50 on if it would. But now it looks like a certainty. Our Government Affairs chair said so. Last night on the DFW zoom call the exact words used by a BOD member was "it's a done deal". Numerous high profile senators have publicly expressed support, the overwhelming majority of the house..and then Trump himself comes out yesterday and says they will help the airlines further.
So I'm not even concerned with this ztl nonsense. We're going to be good for another 6 months, at which point hopefully a change in the political landscape combined with a vaccine will have shifted things in the right direction for us. So screw this garbage we were just handed. It doesn't look like it'll ever even see the light of day. |
Originally Posted by FetaCheese
(Post 3106133)
Totally agree. And that's a fight we need to take up once we aren't barely holding our head above water trying not to drown. But I for one will not forget this. There will be a reckoning.
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Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3106172)
Ots hardly certain. Passage is hardy certain. A clean extension SHOULD have been done a month ago.
I don't like the attitude that the LOA no longer matters if we get more stimulus. I'm not ready to think the worst of our BOD, but I definitely expect to hear their thought process with regard to the 20-0 vote. There's no reason to think they're trying to intentionally screw us - I mean, to what end? But I do expect to be told honestly how this all went down. |
Just me guessing...
I think the reason the BOD voted 20-0 is because the E&FA committee was able to show that number of potential furloughs has increased significantly. The E&FA committee said during the zoom call that break even cost on furloughs is no longer 18-24 months. I’ve heard a very good argument that with ability to do a displacement bid before hand, it could be as low as 9 months. The Passenger loads are stagnant and not showing enough improvement to support the more optimistic pilot forecast numbers published in June. Therefore, the number of pilots required has been revised down. This is also supported by SAC on BTL. Without a CARE Act 2, I think ALL 2500 are looking at a furlough. Hence the 20-0 vote on a sub par LOA. |
Assuming the Cares act is extended we should figure out a way to get these LOAs tossed prior March 2021. In the event of a merger an arbitrator is going to treat a pilot who chooses a ZTL instead of furlough as basically not bringing a job to the merger. The company is now incentivized to furlough or ZTL all 2500 junior pilots. There is no downside for the company. Our likely merger partner just got furlough protection. Looks like the bottom 2500 on a combined list will be AA pilots. Thanks BOD
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Originally Posted by AAL24
(Post 3106264)
Assuming the Cares act is extended we should figure out a way to get these LOAs tossed prior March 2021. In the event of a merger an arbitrator is going to treat a pilot who chooses a ZTL instead of furlough as basically not bringing a job to the merger. The company is now incentivized to furlough or ZTL all 2500 junior pilots. There is no downside for the company. Our likely merger partner just got furlough protection. Looks like the bottom 2500 on a combined list will be AA pilots. Thanks BOD
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Originally Posted by BackintheLPA
(Post 3106262)
Just me guessing...
I think the reason the BOD voted 20-0 is because the E&FA committee was able to show that number of potential furloughs has increased significantly. The E&FA committee said during the zoom call that break even cost on furloughs is no longer 18-24 months. I’ve heard a very good argument that with ability to do a displacement bid before hand, it could be as low as 9 months. The Passenger loads are stagnant and not showing enough improvement to support the more optimistic pilot forecast numbers published in June. Therefore, the number of pilots required has been revised down. This is also supported by SAC on BTL. Without a CARE Act 2, I think ALL 2500 are looking at a furlough. Hence the 20-0 vote on a sub par LOA. |
Originally Posted by AAL24
(Post 3106264)
Assuming the Cares act is extended we should figure out a way to get these LOAs tossed prior March 2021. In the event of a merger an arbitrator is going to treat a pilot who chooses a ZTL instead of furlough as basically not bringing a job to the merger. The company is now incentivized to furlough or ZTL all 2500 junior pilots. There is no downside for the company. Our likely merger partner just got furlough protection. Looks like the bottom 2500 on a combined list will be AA pilots. Thanks BOD
A ZTL is still active and can still participate in TTS,TTOT. So they bing that to the company and would be considered above furloughs of another company in a merger as long as no one above them is on a deferred return. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by wiz5422
(Post 3106131)
...or pushing hard for ALPA.
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I’ve been following this thread since it was started. Finally decided to join in. I’m stuck right in the middle of the unlucky “900”. Hopefully the Cares Act 2 kicks in so none of the 2500 actually have to bid on this crap LOA. I’ve talked to quite a few other pilots that are scattered throughout the 2500 and everyone seems to be in agreement. Bid for the Alternating Month option since it will allow us to deplete all of our sick time and use the remaining VSTLOA months until December. Besides that, everyone would prefer to be furloughed rather than stay current for basically free since it’s way better financially to take the furlough/vacation payout and then file unemployment. Also, “rumor” has it that a Class Action DFR/Negligence Lawsuit is being prepared for the 2500 against APA.
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