I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt too until I looked into it more and ran different scenarios. As someone in the 2500 saying this, we would have been better off with nothing.

I hope for your sake and many others we are all wrong about this LOA, bc at this point it seems like our only hope. Anyone outside the 2500 WARN pilots that takes a ZTL award that knocks off 1 less furlough for the 2500, and for every 2 that take the alternating month fly month no fly that knocks off 1 furlough of the 2500...that's it done finished, none of this other bs. Simple and easy for everyone to understand and game plan for...if that's what this is for God's sake someone from APA please just freaking say this with some assurance that we aren't going to be screwed by the company bc of some poor ass language. Heck you could even have a multiple rounds of bidding...for example in rd 1 (for easy to follow small numbers) let's say 5 pilots out side the 2500 take ZTL thus "protecting" pilots 2500, 2499, 2498, 2497, and 2496. Now in rd 2 those "protected" pilots can bid for a ZTL or alternating month to month bid thus giving them a chance to "save" the next pilots in line in the 2500. It honors seniority to a tee and gives everyone a clear picture of where they stand. Its probably way to simple but then again I like to keep things simple...At some point someone will get furloughed but I bet in this case the company would hold on to more pilots then the other scenario of all 2500 getting ZTL'ed...then again if the company threatened to APA to do something or else they were going send out 3,000 or whatever more WARN notices , well then either as an APA BOD member you believe them and take the bait, or you roll the dice and call their bluff. Tough call either way.

No senior pilot above the cuurent cutline will get furloughed.
No senior pilot will be furloughed without having the opportunity to bid a ZTL or a conditional ZTL.

A senior pilot, below the cutline, who passes on both the ZTL or conditional ZTL will be at risk of furlough.

As I look at this, the ZTL part of the LOA is not designed for the bottom 2500, it is designed or the top 5000, to save the bottom 2500. What do I mean? What do senior captains that max their pay/QOL do? Bid a line, drop, (through trades) all their lines (zero time), and then pick up tips to max their desired end state. They want a zero time line so they just pick and chose what they want rom open time, trades, premium, etc. Get the greedy CAs to jump on this any pretty soon you have a sizable hunk of mitigated furloughs.

The ALternat month schedule is or those that want some time off, have dual incomes with kids at home, want to get a lot of time of when combined with vacation or are too junior to normally get December off, but now will. Another sizable chunk of furloughs mitigated.

Furlough with training, those at the top o the bottom 2500. They don’t believe that they will be out very long, probably 190/75/76/330 pilots that can make some money from the company while furloughed.

The rest of us in the bottom half of the 2500 can hope for conditional ZTL or AML to not have to pay COBRA.

The bottom 1000 just have to wait and pray.


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After speaking directly with my rep, I will say this much:

They are aware of the same issues you all are posting here. The BOD is concerned about the risk of management failing to provide transparency regarding the "target" furlough number. They are discussing ways to ensure that the they don't move the goalposts in a manner many posters here are concerned about.

I am not sure the method they will try to use (or share on a public forum their options up for consideration), but suffice it to say, they want to make sure that your fears are addressed.

Discussing ways to ensure this after they signed the LOA!WTF? Maybe they should have created some iron clad language before they signed the deal. Can we fire this NC and get the old one back?

how about don’t agree to things where you have to worry about $h!t like this.

BINGO! Sadly, I have seen this type of situation too many times in the airline business.

Take a deep breath. Open a cold one and watch the zoom meeting when it's posted.

Then if you still have questions, email your reps for more information. APA has a bit of useful leverage in this matter. I trust the process, and I have more skin in the game than most.

The Zoom Meeting was worthless. Huge waste of my evening. Concerns were NOT addressed.