Again just stating facts. If you can’t handle every president does that then it’s on you. Again if you can’t handle that Nancy is also the one who has recessed the house that again is on you. I’ll equally bash the other side when needed. However you pointed your finger at the White House and one party. It is both sides however currently the democrats are the ones who can easily make this happen. Remove the state and local government bailouts and present a clean bill. It sounds like Republicans have given into the school funding which in itself is questionable as schools are suddenly not in class in most locations.

It is what it is but recall one of the most controversial executive orders ever was done by President Obama. Even stating he didn’t have the power to do such yet did it anyways. So don’t sit back and pretend both sides don’t do executive orders. They do.

Don’t pretend Nancy isn’t the cause of the house not being in session and also the reason while we were flying she was eating ice cream and keeping the house away from doing work during the onset of this virus.

Oh and add to this it seems Rick Scott is against any further airline bailout. So there you go. My equal blame on a Republican.

Move it to the politics forum please


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Well at least you've got your basic arithmetic and averages down. Once furloughed you can apply for a job teaching first grade match. Once schools reopen, that is.

So, if cares#2 does get passed with furlough protection, does anyone think there’s a possibility that some carriers may pass on it anyway? If they really believe they are going to need to furlough is possible that they’ll just go ahead and let people go to start adjusting to their “new normal”?

that first sentence is 100% false
the third is 100% true

while possible, I think it’s unlikely... from a pure PR perspective, it would look awfully $httty to be the only carrier to have the reputation of laying off workers when all that taxpayer cheese was available... I don’t think anyone of em will risk having to carry that stigma. Just my hunch.

Everyone not in this industry who I’ve talked to thinks we should suffer since money was spent on stock buybacks

yup. the almighty dollar rules though. the gov’t knows the airlines have to be there for a recovery. I’m wondering if cares 2 will happen but still allow some sort of furlough. it doesn’t seem as though any airline is going to need as many pilots as they’re carrying for a while.

A company that files bankruptcy is not the same as one that ceases operations.

All of the majors are in such a financial position (current cash on hand) that they would restructure just like DAL, NW, UAL, and CAL did in the first decade of the 2000’s if they were to declare bankruptcy.

With bankruptcy, management would just have the ability to right size the company and contracts to more accurately reflect the current market conditions.

The airlines would still be there for recovery. Just smaller and better suited to survive the present tragedy.

I highly doubt it. When Uncle Sam give a gift you are taking it. When they bailed out the banks in 08 many of the banks didn’t need it but they forced them to take bail out money anyway. The theory being of one takes and another doesn’t the market is gonna crush the one who did. So if it passes we are all taking the cheese.