Just listened to PTT 19. Damn, very interesting to hear AA was willing to discuss ALV reductions to suppress furloughs. APA said not a chance. So my guess is that these LOAs must be so good that every single member of the BOD and N.C. would take them if they were in our position? Amazing leadership. Sure will make voting for section 6 easy next time it happens.

We are way over staffed in my category, even with all the leaves and early outs. Curious if everyone else is too. I’ve been told we can run this place with 6000 pilots now if we hold our current schedule.

I read that the lack of a cares decision is killing our scheduling for October. All the planning is up in the air and company isn’t able to make informed decisions on schedule load.

Correct. Quite a quandary. You want to leave schedules published to see what the bookings will be but if no cares restriction on prior flying you can cut the schedule as necessary but you really don’t want to negatively impact your customers so you can’t wait. You also have to build your crew schedules and fleet plans. We need a definitive decision from Washington one way or the other - and soon.

It's definitely a sh*t sandwich for all the airlines. I'm not one to normally give management a pass, but overall I think AA is doing the best they can. I certainly don't get the impression that they're intentionally trying to keep us in the dark.

Agree 100% they have been completely honest since it all went down in March. it’s not their fault we are here. Nor is its the employees. They have done all they can to save as many jobs as possible. About to find out if APA did the same for their members. Sure hope so.

Just curious how this is APA’s fault? No other Major has agreed to ALV reductions that I know of. Let’s say APA does agree to an ALV reduction and then CARES 2 passes. Well then you took a concession you didn’t need to take. It’s a crap sandwich to all and placing blame on one side or another is disingenuous in my opinion. I think some credit is due APA for leading the industry with being the leader on negotiating early retirements and leaves.

ALV reductions are a concession?

Jetblue has an ALV reduction LOA.

To some people anything that they think remotely benefits the company is a concession.

Even though ALV reductions require artificially high staffing number to cover the same number of block hours. If anything ALV reduction is a gain for the pilot group. It makes us less efficient.

I’d like to know what the terms of an alv that the company offered. If they’re allowing guys to hang around on a ztl or train while furloughed to keep their benefits, then I’m positive they would have considered alvs.


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