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sanicom3205 08-08-2020 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by biigD (Post 3107108)
So the company wants 3105 pilots gone? Is that what scared the crap out of the APA?

Can’t figure out the numbers in the last email.
No, this is not the takeaway. Think of the AML and ZTLs are ways for senior guys to fly less and also save jobs. They aren’t for us as plan A, they are the last stop in saving ourselves, but that is not the primary purpose. I see the numbers released as the absolute pipe dream for AA. They get that many takers and they are happy. They know they won’t get nearly that many, it’s just the max they think they can give out and still staff the airline. Long story short, don’t read into them too much . They do not equate to furloughs in any meaningful way

sanicom3205 08-08-2020 06:25 PM
One more thing: everyone throwing rocks and personally calling out the NC on BTL etc better be prepared to eat crow if this turns out for the better

R57 relay 08-08-2020 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by rcflying53 (Post 3107033)
The union reps are on BTL crying about how the 2500 should be grateful the NC got “options”. Funny thing about that, is they just gave the company more options to furlough more without any cost to them. These union guys are so far out in left field it’s amazing. Oh, you got 6 month recall out of it? That’s a concession. Allowing the bid to open without the published estimates? Concession. Furlough out of seniority? Concession. Allowing the bid to be run in 6 days? Concession.

But, it’s all voluntary they say. Yeah, everyone thinks their baby is the cutest. These babies the union just had tho, have hooves and horns. Yet they get all offended if you point it out to them.
So, if they are on BTL, they are BTL, right? And who was the BTL guy that supported EF with his NC follies?

The best NC member took the bullet.

Oh well.

sanicom3205 08-08-2020 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by rcflying53 (Post 3107033)
The union reps are on BTL crying about how the 2500 should be grateful the NC got “options”. Funny thing about that, is they just gave the company more options to furlough more without any cost to them. These union guys are so far out in left field it’s amazing. Oh, you got 6 month recall out of it? That’s a concession. Allowing the bid to open without the published estimates? Concession. Furlough out of seniority? Concession. Allowing the bid to be run in 6 days? Concession.

But, it’s all voluntary they say. Yeah, everyone thinks their baby is the cutest. These babies the union just had tho, have hooves and horns. Yet they get all offended if you point it out to them.
Be a man and take the straight F. If you do anything else you are, by your own logic, allowing the company an extra option to furlough without any extra costs.

Battlinbear 08-09-2020 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3107183)
Be a man and take the straight F. If you do anything else you are, by your own logic, allowing the company an extra option to furlough without any extra costs.
Honestly, AA has been handling this by far better than the other 2 legacies, IMO. They have been completely honest w all work groups since the news to slit throats. The lack of comms from the union was tough to swallow, and the bomb dropped wout any comms is what sucked. Speaking the obvious. You very well might be right, and furloughs might be less than they projected. Im a bubble guy and pref alternate sked along w it in conditional.. Maybe it will help someone? I refuse bid any ZHL and make less than than the govt aid. All that’s left is watch who picks up open and prm while there are hundreds on zero hour lines.

Spoiler 08-09-2020 01:36 PM
Don't be surprised by FAA waiving portions of recurrent for a one time ramp up to levels post Covid era.

rcflying53 08-10-2020 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3107183)
Be a man and take the straight F. If you do anything else you are, by your own logic, allowing the company an extra option to furlough without any extra costs.
So you support concessions? You support furloughing more pilots? You support eroding seniority?

We can go around the block all day on this. Either way, the company will get what it needs/wants. The union just made it easier and cheaper for them to do it. Assuming we actually have to go down that road, if the CARES Act support isn’t extended for 6 months.

pangolin 08-10-2020 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by rcflying53 (Post 3108084)
So you support concessions? You support furloughing more pilots? You support eroding seniority?

We can go around the block all day on this. Either way, the company will get what it needs/wants. The union just made it easier and cheaper for them to do it. Assuming we actually have to go down that road, if the CARES Act support isn’t extended for 6 months.
It doesn’t look good for an extension.

Downtime 08-10-2020 03:36 PM
Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3108116)
It doesn’t look good for an extension.
You keep saying this but every article I read says otherwise.

senecacaptain 08-10-2020 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Downtime (Post 3108118)
You keep saying this but every article I read says otherwise.
show me one article that states Payroll Support is in the proposed stimulus package.


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