How so? A max of 2500 can be furloughed unless more warn letters are issued and the ZTL is supposed to reduce furloughs 1 for 1. Or are you seeing it another way?


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I think the biggest question is if this is one for one, then what number of furloughed are we starting at? Without this info we are left blindly trusting the company on this most important issue.

The issue was that the 1600 staffing overage was still understood to be the number for next summer. The overage was bigger for the fall, 2500? But it looked like they were going to have to carry some of that overage due to being unable to furlough that many and then get them back by next summer. We just conceded to the company the ability to quickly put all 2500 without pay throughout the fall, and bring them back quickly. (Maybe).

From what it looks like to me, for the bottom 1600, this deal could work out for them better than nothing. For the 900 in the bubble, this looks like a certain furlough, or ZTL, when there was a chance of hanging on before.

exactly this 100%. What a gift to the company. Not bad for the bottom 1200, not so much for the 1300 above them. The deal minimizes pilot costs right away, raising the prospects of positive cash flow sooner. Would of been a good time for the quitters to lock in Delta profit sharing.

Yes... but can’t those in the 900 preference for a ZTL in event of furlough? If they weren’t going to be furloughed then they won’t get a ZTL. Still making guarantee. That’s how I understand it anyways.


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yes this 100% let it sink in

yes yes and yes....I said this in an earlier post.....We would be much better off just going down the normal furlough road then this deal.....and for those saying that can't "furlough" people without a WARN notice, remember, it is NOT a furlough if someone ops into a ZTL by choice....if you are say 500 above the 2500 WARN line and bid ZTL in lieu of furlough, guess what? you are not furloughed!!!! People need to stop thinking that the 2500 WARN letters are some kind of stop gate because they are not! Now a person who was in no immediate danger of getting furloughed has just self furloughed themselves to the utter jubilant joy of the company....without knowing the cut line the bottom 4,000 I'd say pilots will put that sort of bid in. The company will absolutely take every pilot that puts in a ZTL bid and anyone one over the 2500 line who hasn't received a WARN notice and did not put in ZTL in lieu of furlough will get one shortly after the bid is awarded on or around 21st of August. But but that won't be 60 days notice!! Well guess what boys and girls section B.2.c of this piece of $hit says the company may offer ZTL that start in November. Anyone wonder why that is in there?? Well its so they can get the WARN letters out in the legally required time! Take the blinders of people, I wouldn't even wipe my dogs ass with this LOA.

APA didn’t even need to be in the room for this loa. This is a company’s wet dream come true. All the cost associated with furloughing a pilot just vanished. They’ll side line the whole 2500 for the winter with zero pay yet staying qualified. What a f@cking joking. And is there anything in these loas that require a portion of the 2500 to be awarded the alternating month schedule? Why not just offer that to the whole pilot group, maybe get some takers at the top end and save more money. Then award ZTLs to the 2500. They removed the one and only deterrent the company had to furloughing in mass, training cost.

I’ll take the involuntary furlough and state unemployment thanks. I’ll be damned if I stay current and go through training for zero $. They can bring me back through the full course when they need me.

As I read it the ZTL won’t start until after you’re VSTLOA is complete, correct??