Originally Posted by LonesomeSky

Vote for leaders who listen to the specialists, believe in science, and have a plan. If we continue on the current path we're going to wallow in covid for another year or two and see another 200,000 deaths.

Originally Posted by bababouey

You’re so right, Trump is also to blame for Europe having record cases right now too, what an idiot. Yes, voting for a guy who hates fossil fuels is the answer. It’s almost like it’s a virus that can’t be seen and is hard to predict and stop, luckily liberal Democrats know sciencey stuff and will fix it, maybe Kamala slept with the right scientists and knows what to do.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Common fallacy these days.

The job of leaders is to lead, which often means hard decisions in the face of no clear right answer.

A leader who is a sock puppet for "experts" is no leader at all, at best an administrator. I used quotes on "experts" because they are not the end all/be all, they are often academics with narrow perspectives and strong opinions in their own fields, but little balanced perspective for other fields or what's really important: the big picture.

A good leader is absolutely going to be informed by expert opinion and should actively seek that out. But he/she has to consider all issues and make the call.

An epidemiologist is obviously not the right person to determine the fate of the economy, or assess the mental health and well-being of a population in lockdown. He might be able to tell you how to end a pandemic, but he can't tell what that's going to cost in other terms.

Kind of like building a house... the GC and architect have to consider the needs of the electrician but they don't let him design the house or set the schedule. If they did, the house would have a very good electrical system which would be very easy to maintain... but there might be some other issues. The needs of the plumber, drywall guy, framer, roofer, mason, etc all have to be accounted for. Oh yeah, and the needs of the people who will ultimately live in the house.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Kind of like building a house... the GC and architect have to consider the needs of the electrician but they don't let him design the house or set the schedule. If they did, the house would have a very good electrical system which would be very easy to maintain... but there might be some other issues. The needs of the plumber, drywall guy, framer, roofer, mason, etc all have to be accounted for. Oh yeah, and the needs of the people who will ultimately live in the house.

Originally Posted by LonesomeSky

Without me even saying a name you identified which canidate doesn't have a plan. Nice work. Now, could you apply that logical machinery to the rest of my post? The airline industry won't recover until covid is gone. That should be our #1 rallying cry. There are college football teams that put more dedicated and focused effort into winning next weekend's game than the current administration puts toward containing covid. It's complete failure of leadership. He's so politicized this virus that we can't even talk rationally about containment measures.

Originally Posted by LonesomeSky

What would be the surest bet for saving the airline industry? Controlling Covid. Why isn't that part of the conversation here? Travel will not come back until covid is under control. Pilots take a black and white view of covid and we miss the nuance that goes into most people's travel decisions. The general public isn't terrified of covid, they're making rational choices based on risk. Traveling sucks right now, you can see it on your overnights and deadheads. Who would voluntarily go out into this and risk catching something that could put them out of work for weeks and possibly kill grandma? What company would send their employees out on business trips? Who wants to vacation like this?

There are common sense measures that we all could be promoting that would help save our industry and speed recovery. Yes, we're all waiting for the vaccine but there are things we can do today that'll have positive consequences. The less people that have covid when the vaccine arrives the faster we beat this thing.

We're likely to get a vaccine that's 60% effective. That means we'll still have to wear masks, social distance, and contact trace until covid has shrunk back to nearly nothing. Less total cases means a faster return to normal. I don't know why pilots aren't on the forefront of promoting safe behaviors and voting like your career depends on it. Look at where covid is spiking right now: it's the states that don't enforce mask rules and where they opened the schools. This massive wave we're seeing is going to push back recovery. No one is saying go back to lock down, but be sensible, lower your risks of transmission wherever possible. Vote for leaders who listen to the specialists, believe in science, and have a plan. If we continue on the current path we're going to wallow in covid for another year or two and see another 200,000 deaths.

Originally Posted by LabDad06

Back in college I turned $2 (what I had in my wallet) into $20 on a slot machine while being the DD for the night. Was able to stock up on Ramen for the month lol

Originally Posted by LonesomeSky

He could say 'Wear the damn mask". Or, is that bowing too low to the pencil-necked epidemiologists?

Yeah, of course leaders lead, and experts advise. But is our leader even weighing the expert advise? Is he listening at all? Cuz he could easily tell people to wear the mask, to socially distance as much as possible. He could explain that just because you can't be perfect in one instance doesn't mean you should give up on all preventative measures. He could try to unite us in our efforts.

Originally Posted by stbloc

That’s the worse financial advice I’ve ever heard in my life. Good luck with that strategy and tell me how it works out for you.

Originally Posted by LonesomeSky

Without me even saying a name you identified which canidate doesn't have a plan. Nice work. Now, could you apply that logical machinery to the rest of my post? The airline industry won't recover until covid is gone. That should be our #1 rallying cry. There are college football teams that put more dedicated and focused effort into winning next weekend's game than the current administration puts toward containing covid. It's complete failure of leadership. He's so politicized this virus that we can't even talk rationally about containment measures.