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FINALLY!!!! Someone who gets it. Believe me brother, we tried it back in the day---APA would have none of it, and ALPA just wanted big American. They really could have cared less about Eagle or any other regional. Of course, AMR loved it that way because they could still play their standard "shell game", you know, all the Eagle carriers against each other, and Eagle and American against each other. I 100% agree with you. EVERY PILOT that flies ANY AIRPLANE that benefits ANY MAJOR AIRLINE should ALL be on the same seniority list, with representation from the SAME UNION. By the fact that you are flying at Envoy, you are a de-facto American Airlines pilot. I would like to live long enough to see that happen. No more shell game/whipsawing, no more second class status for pilots who fly smaller aircraft.

In reality, do I think it will happen?

No

It won't ever happen because the pilots at the top don't want it.

You think guys at Delta and FedEx making $400K+ want to take a pay cut so regional pilots can make decent money? No. And that's what it would take.

Pilots really are their own worst enemy.

You got that right brother!!

That’s a false choice. No one has to take a pay cut to have brand scope. You just have to have or make leverage. Easier said than done, sure. But not beyond the laws of physics.

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Pilots truly are their own worst enemy.

Our union isn't even interested in fighting for those on the bottom of our current seniority list. Put down the pipe for now gentlemen.

Now for some eye candy

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For those who would advocate a change to ALPA, one thing to consider is that ALPA has a long negotiating history with United and Delta, but not with American. The Railway Labor Act says the parties shall make and maintain agreements. APA broke away from ALPA in 1963, 57 years ago. There is no negotiating history to fall back on for an ALPA negotiator, ALPA has no idea about the grievance history of APA and ALPA didn't write any of the current contract language.

If this pilot group elects ALPA as it's bargaining agent you will see no changes to the office staff and the way things are done. It will be the same people because ALPA has no idea what goes on in Dallas. It would take several years to any any of the "boys from Herndon" up to speed on how AA operates, manages the contract and who to deal with.

My estimate would be at least 5 years to see any meaningful change. If you want to slow negotiations down to a crawl, go ALPA. They will walk in clueless with no history or background to rely on.

Your first argument is that ALPA will have no tribal knowledge of prior agreements.

Your second argument is there will be no change because the AA union leadership and staff will remain the same.

Unless J from men in black is going to drop in for a memory wipe, I think those are mutually exclusive.

Exactly. Thank you for recognizing reality. You are hired at Envoy as an American Airlines pilot. Why do you think Envoy goes to so much trouble vetting candidates and pipeline applicants? Because of this.