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Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3169696)
Exactly. Thank you for recognizing reality. You are hired at Envoy as an American Airlines pilot. Why do you think Envoy goes to so much trouble vetting candidates and pipeline applicants? Because of this.
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Originally Posted by Gooselives
(Post 3169850)
haha lots slipped through the cracks when envoy was doing 80 man classes in a ballroom. Flow is pretty worthless....do 8-12 years at eagle just to get furloughed...and no one at envoy flowed yet. Put in those apps...ual and jet blue will hire in 2021
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
(Post 3169852)
what vetting did they do? Can you read a jepp chart?
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Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3169920)
With the flow thru in place, the recruiting team was essentially having to vet candidates for American as they were hired to AA standards. Maybe not in hours or experience but in background. As an example, the "perfect" candidate graduated high school and immediately enrolled in a partner university that is part of the pipeline program. Said candidate sails through and gets high marks in flight training while obtaining the equivalent degree. Candidate graduates around the age of 22 on average and then instructs at said university until the high 1400 hour mark and is put through ATP/CTP by Envoy and goes online at the Voy after completion essentially beginning a life long career at American. The perfect candidates also found some time to volunteer at a charity or other organization to give back to the community. The ideal Envoy would be 100% pipeline graduates at some future date with no leftover lifers from years ago who got lucky after flying a Baron around West Texas for Virgil's Oil Bidness. When Envoy finally purges the last of the lifers, that's the how the ideal overall Envoy demographic looks.
stop pedaling your garbage. Besides this is totally irrelevant and a thread drift away on an American thread. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3169920)
With the flow thru in place, the recruiting team was essentially having to vet candidates for American as they were hired to AA standards. Maybe not in hours or experience but in background. As an example, the "perfect" candidate graduated high school and immediately enrolled in a partner university that is part of the pipeline program. Said candidate sails through and gets high marks in flight training while obtaining the equivalent degree. Candidate graduates around the age of 22 on average and then instructs at said university until the high 1400 hour mark and is put through ATP/CTP by Envoy and goes online at the Voy after completion essentially beginning a life long career at American. The perfect candidates also found some time to volunteer at a charity or other organization to give back to the community. The ideal Envoy would be 100% pipeline graduates at some future date with no leftover lifers from years ago who got lucky after flying a Baron around West Texas for Virgil's Oil Bidness. When Envoy finally purges the last of the lifers, that's the how the ideal overall Envoy demographic looks.
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Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3169920)
With the flow thru in place, the recruiting team was essentially having to vet candidates for American as they were hired to AA standards. Maybe not in hours or experience but in background. As an example, the "perfect" candidate graduated high school and immediately enrolled in a partner university that is part of the pipeline program. Said candidate sails through and gets high marks in flight training while obtaining the equivalent degree. Candidate graduates around the age of 22 on average and then instructs at said university until the high 1400 hour mark and is put through ATP/CTP by Envoy and goes online at the Voy after completion essentially beginning a life long career at American. The perfect candidates also found some time to volunteer at a charity or other organization to give back to the community. The ideal Envoy would be 100% pipeline graduates at some future date with no leftover lifers from years ago who got lucky after flying a Baron around West Texas for Virgil's Oil Bidness. When Envoy finally purges the last of the lifers, that's the how the ideal overall Envoy demographic looks.
I flew at a WO for two or so years. One captain left the engines running and went to the hotel. He them FaceTimed the ground crew in some podunk outstation from his hotel room (probably while eating a cheeseburger) and told them how to shut the jet down. Classic! Also https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...64&oe=5FFB6667 |
Originally Posted by Allegheny
(Post 3169588)
For those who would advocate a change to ALPA, one thing to consider is that ALPA has a long negotiating history with United and Delta, but not with American. The Railway Labor Act says the parties shall make and maintain agreements. APA broke away from ALPA in 1963, 57 years ago. There is no negotiating history to fall back on for an ALPA negotiator, ALPA has no idea about the grievance history of APA and ALPA didn't write any of the current contract language.
If this pilot group elects ALPA as it's bargaining agent you will see no changes to the office staff and the way things are done. It will be the same people because ALPA has no idea what goes on in Dallas. It would take several years to any any of the "boys from Herndon" up to speed on how AA operates, manages the contract and who to deal with. My estimate would be at least 5 years to see any meaningful change. If you want to slow negotiations down to a crawl, go ALPA. They will walk in clueless with no history or background to rely on. Doesn’t the APA contract with ALPA E&FA during their contract negotiations? That would give ALPA staff and attorneys a lot institutional knowledge. In any case, a change of this magnitude, merging with ALPA, probably shouldn’t hinge on this concern. Because it probably means there are larger structural issues in play. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3169920)
With the flow thru in place, the recruiting team was essentially having to vet candidates for American as they were hired to AA standards. Maybe not in hours or experience but in background. As an example, the "perfect" candidate graduated high school and immediately enrolled in a partner university that is part of the pipeline program. Said candidate sails through and gets high marks in flight training while obtaining the equivalent degree. Candidate graduates around the age of 22 on average and then instructs at said university until the high 1400 hour mark and is put through ATP/CTP by Envoy and goes online at the Voy after completion essentially beginning a life long career at American. The perfect candidates also found some time to volunteer at a charity or other organization to give back to the community. The ideal Envoy would be 100% pipeline graduates at some future date with no leftover lifers from years ago who got lucky after flying a Baron around West Texas for Virgil's Oil Bidness. When Envoy finally purges the last of the lifers, that's the how the ideal overall Envoy demographic looks.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3170078)
Am curious. About how many pre-Envoy, Eagle lifers are still active?
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
(Post 3169997)
Doesn’t the APA contract with ALPA E&FA during their contract negotiations? That would give ALPA staff and attorneys a lot institutional knowledge.
In any case, a change of this magnitude, merging with ALPA, probably shouldn’t hinge on this concern. Because it probably means there are larger structural issues in play. You are missing the fact that if it wasn't invented here it is dumb. Much ancestor worship at this place. |
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