Pilots truly are their own worst enemy.

 

Our union isn't even interested in fighting for those on the bottom of our current seniority list. Put down the pipe for now gentlemen.

Now for some eye candy

 

For those who would advocate a change to ALPA, one thing to consider is that ALPA has a long negotiating history with United and Delta, but not with American. The Railway Labor Act says the parties shall make and maintain agreements. APA broke away from ALPA in 1963, 57 years ago. There is no negotiating history to fall back on for an ALPA negotiator, ALPA has no idea about the grievance history of APA and ALPA didn't write any of the current contract language.

If this pilot group elects ALPA as it's bargaining agent you will see no changes to the office staff and the way things are done. It will be the same people because ALPA has no idea what goes on in Dallas. It would take several years to any any of the "boys from Herndon" up to speed on how AA operates, manages the contract and who to deal with.

My estimate would be at least 5 years to see any meaningful change. If you want to slow negotiations down to a crawl, go ALPA. They will walk in clueless with no history or background to rely on.

 

Your first argument is that ALPA will have no tribal knowledge of prior agreements.

Your second argument is there will be no change because the AA union leadership and staff will remain the same.

Unless J from men in black is going to drop in for a memory wipe, I think those are mutually exclusive.

 

Exactly. Thank you for recognizing reality. You are hired at Envoy as an American Airlines pilot. Why do you think Envoy goes to so much trouble vetting candidates and pipeline applicants? Because of this.

 

haha lots slipped through the cracks when envoy was doing 80 man classes in a ballroom. Flow is pretty worthless....do 8-12 years at eagle just to get furloughed...and no one at envoy flowed yet. Put in those apps...ual and jet blue will hire in 2021

 

what vetting did they do? Can you read a jepp chart?

 

With the flow thru in place, the recruiting team was essentially having to vet candidates for American as they were hired to AA standards. Maybe not in hours or experience but in background. As an example, the "perfect" candidate graduated high school and immediately enrolled in a partner university that is part of the pipeline program. Said candidate sails through and gets high marks in flight training while obtaining the equivalent degree. Candidate graduates around the age of 22 on average and then instructs at said university until the high 1400 hour mark and is put through ATP/CTP by Envoy and goes online at the Voy after completion essentially beginning a life long career at American. The perfect candidates also found some time to volunteer at a charity or other organization to give back to the community. The ideal Envoy would be 100% pipeline graduates at some future date with no leftover lifers from years ago who got lucky after flying a Baron around West Texas for Virgil's Oil Bidness. When Envoy finally purges the last of the lifers, that's the how the ideal overall Envoy demographic looks.

 

Keep telling yourself that. Why did Envoy at exactly the same time as hiring pipeline cadets, also hire anyone with a pulse? They have ‘high’ hiring standards for cadets when it suits them?

stop pedaling your garbage.

Besides this is totally irrelevant and a thread drift away on an American thread.

 

life long of bad culture and furlough mindset...go fund me pages are a disgrace.