206321

ALPA is running laps around APA.

APA has head in the sand and the bubble it operates in shows they are unable to do what ALPA pilot groups have done.

The time to switch is here. We need to merge with ALPA.

Get involved with the conversation here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1777115569177879/

...and no, I don't want to hear your lame excuse about how "ALPA was terrible at my regional."

wiz5422

Biggest issue is who is our union reps. Yes ALPA would give us better resources, but if we still have the same corrupt, unimaginable reps we will be in the same boat.

I don't care how well you think your rep is or what they have done for you in the past, we need new blood in there, people who are willing to think outside the box, people who aren't selling us short to the company.

206321

Agree with a few of your points.... but there is something fundamentally different about the structure of an ALPA MEC/LEC versus APA's BOD that bullies their President.

The old reps needs to go. The new, younger BTL reps understand the real issues, but until the older reps are gone (particularly the NY, ORD, LAX.

I am convinced these furloughs would have been avoided like UAL and DAL had APA's BOD agreed to even consider outside of the box thinking.

ALPA's structure and communication would be a huge step up from APA.

biigD

The .5% assessment to help furloughs with medical bennies barely passed. ALPA might be an improvement, but you’re kidding yourself if you think Delta or *especially* United’s deal would have been acceptable to this pilot group.

Maybe it’s because I don’t have to fly with DFW based pilots, but I had previously given this group way too much credit. After seeing what happened with the assessment, I’ve come to realize our furloughed pilots were doomed from the start.

FlyyGuyy

​​​​​​ This is my feeling as well. Before I was furloughed the majority of people I flew with had the "I was furloughed, so get over it attitude". They were adamantly against any kind of relief to save jobs. Including the .5%. Totally absurd, folks making hundreds of thousands dollars aren't willing to give up .5%.

This pilot group is really 3 or 4 groups. LAA. LUS/AWA and anybody new. Least important by far is "new".

rickair7777

Reality check guys, ALPA national didn't do anything to my knowledge at the individual airline level, that was all up to the MEC reps and staff, so somewhat personality driven (union & management). Changing union brands may not change the local leadership much, or management at all.

ALPA national did do some good lobbying for CARES, etc.

C5Drvr

Whether it would or wouldnt have is not the question. It was not subject to member ratification. It wasnt even truly surveyed, and then after the fact EF says oh, yeah, let's survey the people left on property about how good a job APA did? The BoD is not nearly accountable enough to the membership as a whole and hides behind closed door meetings so they cant be. Band the BoD to different segments of the senority list and you would have a more accurate representation of the memberships desires at the table. Make their proposals fully visible to the membership before they vote on them. Make the board minutes accessible to the membership show we truly know what was said, what direction was given, and what truly happened. Else they should be assessed on the results of what they delivered, land compare to their peers, they failed to deliver.

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Halon1211

You can blame APA all you want, but if the company doesn’t want to play ball, then there is not much they can do.

(I work for a ALPA represented airline...no dog in the fight)

Al Czervik

I’d suggest calling your reps. Ask questions. They may fill in some blanks.

Huell

Might want to consider USAPA ... just sayin