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Old 11-11-2020 | 03:01 PM
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It will happen eventually.

There is no good reason why it shouldn't.
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Old 11-11-2020 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 206321
It will happen eventually.

There is no good reason why it shouldn't.
It'll take another merger to happen though. It won't happen on its own unfortunately.
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Old 11-11-2020 | 04:36 PM
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APA, Alpa, teamsters or the VHPA. Pick your poison.

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Old 11-12-2020 | 07:13 AM
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The numbers and money brought to a merger would give APA significant leverage in negotiating terms with ALPA.

The bigger union would give pilots more clout in DC, especially considering a unified PAC. Also, we would all benefit from those within the AA ranks that bring their expertise in the whole spectrum of pilot issues. I believe it would truly strengthen us as a whole.
Those of you who think ALPA will be your savior better do a little bit more reading. Now the teamsters...that would be an interesting proposition.
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Old 11-12-2020 | 12:43 PM
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Those of you who think ALPA will be your savior better do a little bit more reading. Now the teamsters...that would be an interesting proposition.
Teamsters? Ask our Atlas brothers and sisters about their contract success? When it was amendable, etc. Or any Teamster carrier for that fact.

If were adding up wins and losses, ALPA carriers have everyone beat.

Maybe any day now APA will get it’s act together right? When is the last time we led?
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Old 11-12-2020 | 12:54 PM
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Despite their shortcomings in the regional world, it’s hard to argue against the success of ALPA. Compare a Delta or United contract to an APA negotiated contract. Better yet, compare it to a foreign flagged airlines “contract.”
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Old 11-12-2020 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GhettoJet
Those of you who think ALPA will be your savior better do a little bit more reading. Now the teamsters...that would be an interesting proposition.

I don’t think anyone has said ALPA or any other union would be a savior. The pilots would still have to put the work in.
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Old 11-12-2020 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GhettoJet
Those of you who think ALPA will be your savior better do a little bit more reading. Now the teamsters...that would be an interesting proposition.
No union can be effective without a committed group of leaders in their Negotiating Committee/LEC/MEC's, and a pilot group that is willing to follow their lead. Bad leadership is disastrous no matter who's Acronym is hanging on the door. Having all of the major airline pilots under one union umbrella does add to the potential for sharing and cooperation to the real threats to the profession coming in the name of cabotage, JV's and increased automation.
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Old 11-13-2020 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nene
No union can be effective without a committed group of leaders in their Negotiating Committee/LEC/MEC's, and a pilot group that is willing to follow their lead. Bad leadership is disastrous no matter who's Acronym is hanging on the door. Having all of the major airline pilots under one union umbrella does add to the potential for sharing and cooperation to the real threats to the profession coming in the name of cabotage, JV's and increased automation.
But only if there is one seniority list. And no one will “follow” they’re lead now.
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Old 11-13-2020 | 05:10 AM
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Here's a novel suggestion. Dump APA and let that be the end of it. Save your dues percentage and put it in your own pocket. Seriously, what has the union really done that's so great here in the past 10 years? This idea really should have some traction and it's unbelievable to me that no one has suggested it in the past.
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