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Old 12-18-2020 | 10:04 AM
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When will we start winning? How many decades has it been? Serious question.

How many chances do we plan on giving? Every day lost is costing us all.

Or is our mindset to only keep signing industry trailing long and short term agreements?
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Old 12-18-2020 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
The codeshare with AA continues past May 1 if your block hours don’t drop. Right?
that is allowed in the CBA. So no relief would be needed at that point. So not permanent relief. If block hours are decreasing year over year then they could not amend or renew AA codeshare past May 1.
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Old 12-20-2020 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintNick
the butthurt is still strong in this one...
And your comment adds nothing to the discussion.
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Old 12-20-2020 | 06:03 PM
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APA has three months now to save pilot jobs.

No furloughs
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Old 12-20-2020 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gooselives
APA has three months now to save pilot jobs.

No furloughs
I think APA has made it pretty clear, they don’t really have any interest in mitigating furloughs.
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Old 12-20-2020 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EagleVol
I think APA has made it pretty clear, they don’t really have any interest in mitigating furloughs.
thats sick
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Old 12-20-2020 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
thats sick
I agree, I wish we could have gotten a similar program to United or Delta, but APA doesn’t want to.
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Old 12-28-2020 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by EagleVol
I think APA has made it pretty clear, they don’t really have any interest in mitigating furloughs.
Prior to the SLI they had been working on a one list plan. If that had been completed back in 2013, nobody currently at AA would have been furloughed. Now, it would take fences and be more complicated, but with the fence set to vanish once the last new hire after DOS moves up from RJ's the fences would go away and you'd have one list, and never face furlough after having 5-10 years already working for AAG.

It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed

APA needs to think longer term. This will happen again someday. Fix it now.
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Old 12-28-2020 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Prior to the SLI they had been working on a one list plan. If that had been completed back in 2013, nobody currently at AA would have been furloughed. Now, it would take fences and be more complicated, but with the fence set to vanish once the last new hire after DOS moves up from RJ's the fences would go away and you'd have one list, and never face furlough after having 5-10 years already working for AAG.

It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed

APA needs to think longer term. This will happen again someday. Fix it now.
the cujo first time i heard you wake up and smell the aa dong. Pilots that live and breate envoy /aa continue to get **** on over and over. The culture is toxic and needs to be overhauled dougie and apa mec need to go for any change to occur
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Old 01-01-2021 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Prior to the SLI they had been working on a one list plan. If that had been completed back in 2013, nobody currently at AA would have been furloughed. Now, it would take fences and be more complicated, but with the fence set to vanish once the last new hire after DOS moves up from RJ's the fences would go away and you'd have one list, and never face furlough after having 5-10 years already working for AAG.

It's an absolute disgrace that a guy can do 10-11 years at AAG/Envoy, transfer to AAG/AA and then find himself furloughed

APA needs to think longer term. This will happen again someday. Fix it now.
how would this work with someone who was hired off the street at AA this year? Would a Jan 2020 hired off the street be furloughed, but the 10 year Envoy flow in that same class would flow back?
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