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Old 07-22-2021 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
ECD isn't wrong. Faux 'profits' are being reflected either by help of Uncle Sam or using EBITDA margin... Gotta look at adjusted non-GAAP numbers that probably reflect the real thing.
Seems like they are making money based on obligated spending, and showed a loss based on voluntary spending.

Seems like net special items can be revenue or expenses. It’s all difficult to decider, but appears they lost money including special government revenue offset by paying off a parts loan.

Almost appears the are intentionally avoiding showing large profits by taking government payroll support and servicing only obligated payments.

Maybe they want an extension in September, or maybe it’s just bad optics, but it looks like they “made money” and ran out and spent themselves into a loss through debt reduction.
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Old 07-22-2021 | 06:16 AM
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Profitable in June excluding the government assistance sounds nice.
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Old 07-22-2021 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
Seems like they are making money based on obligated spending, and showed a loss based on voluntary spending.

Seems like net special items can be revenue or expenses. It’s all difficult to decider, but appears they lost money including special government revenue offset by paying off a parts loan.

Almost appears the are intentionally avoiding showing large profits by taking government payroll support and servicing only obligated payments.

Maybe they want an extension in September, or maybe it’s just bad optics, but it looks like they “made money” and ran out and spent themselves into a loss through debt reduction.
That’s literally a strategy
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Old 10-21-2021 | 04:10 AM
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https://news.aa.com/news/news-detail...lTswChrDjAUZ4c
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Old 10-21-2021 | 05:50 AM
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Ouch. Hope the PSP keeps going. Those numbers do not look good.
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Old 10-21-2021 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Ouch. Hope the PSP keeps going. Those numbers do not look good.
The rumors of Parker’s exit are heating up again.

Unfortunately that just means Isom takes over. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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Old 10-21-2021 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by thrust
The rumors of Parker’s exit are heating up again.

Unfortunately that just means Isom takes over. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Only 5 years too late.

This is the number he will leave as his legacy:


Long-term debt and finance leases, net of current maturities 36,047
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Old 10-21-2021 | 06:38 AM
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The devil is in the details…or sometimes the footnotes:


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Old 10-21-2021 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Ouch. Hope the PSP keeps going. Those numbers do not look good.
Actually, to anyone who actually understands what they are reading, this is not bad at all. I expect AAL stock to be up quite a bit today based on this news.

It was a fairly strong quarter, but the money is being moved around with good finance/accounting techniques to set AA up better in the future.
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Old 10-21-2021 | 06:45 AM
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Third-quarter net profit of $169 million, or $0.25 per diluted share. Excluding net special items1, third-quarter net loss of $641 million, or ($0.99) per share.
Only in corporate America can they call a $641M loss a $169M profit on paper, then pop the corks.

Things don't look good long term over there. Almost every other airline is on the brink of breaking even, without the government cheese.
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