Jumpseat Battle Brewing
05-27-2021, 05:58 AM
#781
Eating A Gruben
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,065
Originally Posted by Cujo665
No, you're spot on. The APA walked away and is not interested. That ended it right there. There a few ticked off Republic guys that won't let go, and keep saying the same things over and over and over.... and stubborn guys like me that actually entertain their pointless debate. It's a wasted debate.
APA walked, it's over
APA walked, it's over
05-27-2021, 05:59 AM
#782
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: Guppy
Posts: 761
Originally Posted by Cujo665
Own metal, is own flights; you don't have any.
your CPA flying is still AA flights. Allowing a contractor to do it, doesn't change the fact of who's flight it is. Today it's you, tomorrow it's PSA. You're a contractor working for AAG, period. You are not the same as AA or any of the sister companies.
You're still OAL trying t get higher priority than other OAL's.
How does that effect all the other jumpseat agreements if we go by your definition of reciprocal? They then will complain that you're getting special treatment, and they'd be right.
Now that your pilot group has done such a great job advertising this unfair treatment of OAL's by both DL and UA, it will be interesting to see how much longer you keep that special perk. I'm almost 100% positive it is not in the written agreement and was them throwing you a bone.
your CPA flying is still AA flights. Allowing a contractor to do it, doesn't change the fact of who's flight it is. Today it's you, tomorrow it's PSA. You're a contractor working for AAG, period. You are not the same as AA or any of the sister companies.
You're still OAL trying t get higher priority than other OAL's.
How does that effect all the other jumpseat agreements if we go by your definition of reciprocal? They then will complain that you're getting special treatment, and they'd be right.
Now that your pilot group has done such a great job advertising this unfair treatment of OAL's by both DL and UA, it will be interesting to see how much longer you keep that special perk. I'm almost 100% positive it is not in the written agreement and was them throwing you a bone.
As long as any flights are operated by Republic, they are own metal for Republic and Republic alone. Especially because if I'm not mistaken we own all our AA aircraft. If you or anyone else is on a Republic aircraft, you are OAL, plain and simple. Who may operate it tomorrow is completely irrelevant.
None of the AAG carriers are parent or sister companies to Republic, as you vociferously remind us, so they have no God-given right to priority on any of our flights. We're happy to extend that privilege to them for equal treatment.
You simply can't have it both ways.
You continue to contort your way out of addressing the logical inconsistencies in your argument. You're making up definitions as you go along.
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05-27-2021, 07:35 AM
#783
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 420
Originally Posted by Cujo665
Own metal, is essentially short for own flights; you don't have any. You subcontract on a few AA flights. They let you keep JS priority on your own planes.
your CPA flying is still AA flights. Allowing a contractor to do it, doesn't change the fact of who's flight it is. Today it's you, tomorrow it's PSA. You're a contractor working for AAG, period. You are not the same as AA or any of the sister companies.
You're still OAL trying to get higher priority than other OAL's.
How does that effect all the other jumpseat agreements if we go by your definition of reciprocal? They then will complain that you're getting special treatment, and they'd be right.
Now that your pilot group has done such a great job advertising this unfair treatment of OAL's by both DL and UA, it will be interesting to see how much longer you keep that special perk.
your CPA flying is still AA flights. Allowing a contractor to do it, doesn't change the fact of who's flight it is. Today it's you, tomorrow it's PSA. You're a contractor working for AAG, period. You are not the same as AA or any of the sister companies.
You're still OAL trying to get higher priority than other OAL's.
How does that effect all the other jumpseat agreements if we go by your definition of reciprocal? They then will complain that you're getting special treatment, and they'd be right.
Now that your pilot group has done such a great job advertising this unfair treatment of OAL's by both DL and UA, it will be interesting to see how much longer you keep that special perk.
05-27-2021, 07:36 AM
#784
You scratched my anchor
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,876
Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
None of this addresses that if we're OAL on AAG, then so too is AAG on Republic flights. The paint job on the side is totally irrelevant to the jumpseat, based on your own logic.
As long as any flights are operated by Republic, they are own metal for Republic and Republic alone. Especially because if I'm not mistaken we own all our AA aircraft. If you or anyone else is on a Republic aircraft, you are OAL, plain and simple. Who may operate it tomorrow is completely irrelevant.
None of the AAG carriers are parent or sister companies to Republic, as you vociferously remind us, so they have no God-given right to priority on any of our flights. We're happy to extend that privilege to them for equal treatment.
You simply can't have it both ways.
You continue to contort your way out of addressing the logical inconsistencies in your argument. You're making up definitions as you go along.
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As long as any flights are operated by Republic, they are own metal for Republic and Republic alone. Especially because if I'm not mistaken we own all our AA aircraft. If you or anyone else is on a Republic aircraft, you are OAL, plain and simple. Who may operate it tomorrow is completely irrelevant.
None of the AAG carriers are parent or sister companies to Republic, as you vociferously remind us, so they have no God-given right to priority on any of our flights. We're happy to extend that privilege to them for equal treatment.
You simply can't have it both ways.
You continue to contort your way out of addressing the logical inconsistencies in your argument. You're making up definitions as you go along.
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05-27-2021, 07:38 AM
#785
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 420
Originally Posted by sanicom3205
Although the republic guys have backed off here, I wonder if they were told that they aren’t helping
05-27-2021, 07:40 AM
#786
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 420
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
What’s fair/right is debatable. I think the point they’re making is “our flights” for republic don’t exist.
05-27-2021, 08:33 AM
#787
Eating A Gruben
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,065
Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
Backed off? More like what's the point? It is not solving anything and nobody is changing their mind here. I can only correct misinformation that you and others continuously spread before I grow bored and move on. I understand why you current Envoy and ex-Envoy guys are so bitter after working for such a horrible organization. Hopefully the FAA shows mercy and doesn't shut that operation down before the woke mob on CNN and Twitter do first.
05-27-2021, 08:55 AM
#788
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Joined APC: May 2017
Position: Guppy
Posts: 761
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
What’s fair/right is debatable. I think the point they’re making is “our flights” for republic don’t exist.
This is actually the first time I've explicitly seen first hand anyone try and argue that the jumpseat belongs to any carrier other than the operating carrier.
It's a startling sense of entitlement that has no place in the industry.
The jumpseats on Republic-operated flights will be governed by Republic captains, and therefore, Republic policies and procedures. None of AAG, Delta, United, or any other carrier have any say on how our jumpseat will be awarded.
Cujo keeps saying "it's over" because the APA walked away. The negotiations are over, that is apparently true, but this situation is over with Republic changing their FOM to mirror the priority we're granted on AAG jumpseats. Any difficulties that arise therefrom are the responsibility of AAG to rectify.
At least we've dispelled the notion Republic is denying anyone the jumpseat...all AAG pilots will continue to be welcome on Republic jumpseats in the proper priority order as governed by our FOM.
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05-27-2021, 09:27 AM
#789
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Posts: 407
Originally Posted by TransWorld
Over 120 posts in the last 24 hours. Wow! This thread is hard to keep up with. And yes, I am piling another log on it.
05-27-2021, 09:36 AM
#790
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 175
Originally Posted by sanicom3205
I have never worked for Envoy. Would only be slightly more enjoyable seeing you guys shut down than it would them. It's a close call.
By that do you mean you would like to see us lose our jobs?
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