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Old 05-30-2021, 03:32 PM
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Old 05-30-2021, 03:38 PM
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Much more professional than the childish blast full of lies put out by APA the other day. Bravo Teamsters!
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Old 05-30-2021, 03:41 PM
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So it's the methods, not the content. OK, it seems like Republic has tried to respectfully engage with APA for years. And what has APA's method been? To tell them to shut up and go away. What do you think about that method? You can say they're within their rights to do that, but if you do then how can you, at the same time, then turn around and tut-tut Republic for providing, as a default, extending the same status to the other group that they've already been under for years? What's a more childish method, to stonewall the other party or to offer reasonable options to choose from?







No such thing is being broken, as the agreement does not specify priority levels. (I could be wrong on this, but am provisionally believing it unless shown otherwise.) They're continuing the agreement, but changing the priority.

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It does not. There is no priority specified in our agreement.

Moreover, and here's the dagger in the only remaining "argument" left, "each Participating carrier reserves the right to modify any and all of its employee travel policies, including but not limited to, provisions related to travel priority, dress code, listing requirements or baggage allowances."

So not only has Republic not violated the agreement, there is explicit language in the agreement that allows this very thing.

What's the next argument, folks?

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Old 05-30-2021, 05:23 PM
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It does not. There is no priority specified in our agreement.

Moreover, and here's the dagger in the only remaining "argument" left, "each Participating carrier reserves the right to modify any and all of its employee travel policies, including but not limited to, provisions related to travel priority, dress code, listing requirements or baggage allowances."

So not only has Republic not violated the agreement, there is explicit language in the agreement that allows this very thing.

What's the next argument, folks?

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Still have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why it’s okay that you give us priority on about 48% of your domestic flights and want priority on 100% of our domestic flights.

Technically being able to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do, by the way. Technically you can deny every jumpseater that comes your way for “safety”. Should we all go around doing that?

Technically AA can take away your ability to sit in the back of your own planes I guess. There’s explicit language in the agreement that allows this very thing, right?
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Old 05-30-2021, 06:20 PM
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Also, here’s a question, what did you offer APA in exchange for a change in our agreement?
Whoops, forgot to address this. In exchange, you would get priority above OAL on their American Eagle flights.

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Still have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why it’s okay that you give us priority on about 48% of your domestic flights and want priority on 100% of our domestic flights.
I know​​​​​​​ you already saw this and weren't compelled, but for anyone joining the thread late: The partial availability of Eagle flights (as opposed to DC and UAX) for AA pilots to have priority on, is offset by the partial proportion of Republic pilots who commute on AA vs. the other major networks. Besides that, it's simply the decent thing to do to give your brand partner pilots (carrying 100% your pax, as opposed to a handful like the code shares) a little recognition and bump, along with the rest of the industry.

​​​​​​​I understand that some may not be compelled by the "partial usage" reasoning, but if you reject that, then I'm still struggling to find the injustice in one party giving the other party, as a default, what they're getting.

Technically being able to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do, by the way. Technically you can deny every jumpseater that comes your way for “safety”. Should we all go around doing that?

Technically AA can take away your ability to sit in the back of your own planes I guess. There’s explicit language in the agreement that allows this very thing, right?
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No, and neither of these things mirror anything so far discussed. It would be a move motivated by malice, meant simply to harm. Instead, the current move by Rah merely matches the other party to their own status, after a protracted good faith effort to match positively instead of negatively.
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Old 05-30-2021, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205 View Post
Still have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why it’s okay that you give us priority on about 48% of your domestic flights and want priority on 100% of our domestic flights.

Technically being able to do something doesn’t make it the right thing to do, by the way. Technically you can deny every jumpseater that comes your way for “safety”. Should we all go around doing that?

Technically AA can take away your ability to sit in the back of your own planes I guess. There’s explicit language in the agreement that allows this very thing, right?
Let’s start with the fact that AAG/AMR pilots have had priority on Republic Eagle metal for 15+ years while Republic pilots have not had any priority on AAG/AMR flights. That’s probably a good starting point.

Come on Sanicom, show us some love… you know deep down you want to. It will pay off in the long run
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Old 05-30-2021, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205 View Post
Still have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why it’s okay that you give us priority on about 48% of your domestic flights and want priority on 100% of our domestic flights.

You forget about the part where AA has part ownership of Republic. Even if I take an AA jumpseat to go fly for DL or UA… i’m still contributing to AA’s bottom line. You’re not doing the same for UA or DL.. so no, you shouldn’t bump them off of an RAH operated DL or UA flight. We’re trying to speak for ALL AE carriers (RAH, SkyWest and Mesa) that we should be given the courtesy of going above Southwest, Spirit, Frontier… etc on AA flights.
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Old 05-31-2021, 03:07 AM
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You forget about the part where AA has part ownership of Republic. Even if I take an AA jumpseat to go fly for DL or UA… i’m still contributing to AA’s bottom line. You’re not doing the same for UA or DL.. so no, you shouldn’t bump them off of an RAH operated DL or UA flight. We’re trying to speak for ALL AE carriers (RAH, SkyWest and Mesa) that we should be given the courtesy of going above Southwest, Spirit, Frontier… etc on AA flights.
You’re right, we shouldn’t bump those guys off their branded flights. And that’s why we shouldn’t hear the term reciprocal out of you guys - you can’t give us what you are asking of us.

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United is knowingly breaking a reciprocal agreement (which is a regulatory document for the jumpseat). That right there leaves no argument... can’t occupy a jumpseat you’re disregarding the terms to.
From the last time your account was active, which was the last time you guys weaponized the jumpseat. The fight really brings you out of the woodwork.

Please enlighten us as to why your opinion has changed and rah can unilaterally change the agreement and still occupy the jumpseat on our aircraft, yet it was the basis for denying UAL guys two years ago?
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205 View Post



Please enlighten us as to why your opinion has changed and rah can unilaterally change the agreement and still occupy the jumpseat on our aircraft, yet it was the basis for denying UAL guys two years ago?
You clearly don't understand the nuances of what happened. You are comparing Apples to Oranges. Stop deflecting and creating confusion by muddying the waters. Your post is just as bad as that APA email sent to your pilots the other day

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Originally Posted by sanicom3205 View Post



From the last time your account was active, which was the last time you guys weaponized the jumpseat. The fight really brings you out of the woodwork.

Please enlighten us as to why your opinion has changed and rah can unilaterally change the agreement and still occupy the jumpseat on our aircraft, yet it was the basis for denying UAL guys two years ago?

Two completely different situations….

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100% honestly, I think we should just give you guys the priority over OAL and be done with this. It would have prevented all of this as well.

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Please enlighten us as to why your opinion has changed? It seems we all agree here so I don’t see why there’s even a problem in the first place
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