All Pilot Groups need to come together
#11
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Disagree. My anecdotal experience is its happening more often. If you are in line with 3-5 others, one of you is getting it. Better hope it isn't at LAX either. Now that the "Clear" people have taken over the left hand escalator (how'd that happen) its a nice haul over to the Pre Check line. Where they tell you, while you stand there in uniform, that you can't go thru pre, you have to go thru the regular line (a recent policy change there I guess??)
You betcha we code it - to what exactly the PPX codes - which one do you use?
You betcha we code it - to what exactly the PPX codes - which one do you use?
#13
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Are you saying to make a drastic change to create just one pilot group from all, just because of a slightly reduced convenience, by getting randomed and yet still getting to cut in front of all other pax in line? Pretty decent troll post, congrats.
#14
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Position: Boeing, left side
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Disagree. My anecdotal experience is its happening more often. If you are in line with 3-5 others, one of you is getting it. Better hope it isn't at LAX either. Now that the "Clear" people have taken over the left hand escalator (how'd that happen) its a nice haul over to the Pre Check line. Where they tell you, while you stand there in uniform, that you can't go thru pre, you have to go thru the regular line (a recent policy change there I guess??)
You betcha we code it - to what exactly the PPX codes - which one do you use?
You betcha we code it - to what exactly the PPX codes - which one do you use?
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#15
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I guess maybe you haven’t been keeping up on current events. SWAPA is picketing because of company issues. Pilots are, more and more, disrespected for their stripes. We have the hardest and highest duty to do our jobs in front of the cockpit door and the facts are simple. Maybe all pilots should go to Washington and picket the TSA for their treatment of us as well. Some of you seem to think a little inconvenience in security keeps us all safe when in reality it’s just another way of telling you who’s the boss. You’re showing up to do your job professionally. Your background check should be enough. National stress is through the roof and distrust in both our companies and government is high as well. Ive spoken with several people and many, many more of us are feeling “the burn” much more than normal (whatever that is anymore). It makes this time in our lives a 9/11 part 2. Will it even end if all of us say as one we’ve had enough politicians running our cockpits? Only one way to find out but I think not. Politics over principle.
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I disagree. Background checks are not just “good enough”. We are still just people. We tend to try to get away with things if there’s a way that presents itself, and the risk/reward is in the sweet spot. So we absolutely should be kept honest by random checks imho. Ronald Reagan said it. “Trust but verify”.
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#18
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I disagree. Background checks are not just “good enough”. We are still just people. We tend to try to get away with things (smuggling contraband comes to mind) if there’s a way that presents itself, and the risk/reward is in the sweet spot. So we absolutely should be kept honest by random checks imho. Hell, we still need chaperones for the rest room breaks. Ronald Reagan said it best, “Trust but verify”.
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#19
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I disagree. Background checks are not just “good enough”. We are still just people. We tend to try to get away with things if there’s a way that presents itself, and the risk/reward is in the sweet spot. So we absolutely should be kept honest by random checks imho. Ronald Reagan said it. “Trust but verify”.
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You've taken that out of context and was not meant for the American Citizen. You're quote doesn't apply to us. We've been vetted already. Pretty sad state of affairs to surrender YOUR reward for OUR RISK. Random checks prove little to nothing. Pilots are now terrorists in the eyes of the people in baby blue.
#20
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I disagree. Background checks are not just “good enough”. We are still just people. We tend to try to get away with things if there’s a way that presents itself, and the risk/reward is in the sweet spot. So we absolutely should be kept honest by random checks imho. Ronald Reagan said it. “Trust but verify”.
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