Al Czervik

Sounds like a breath of fresh air that will get quickly squashed in the dysfunction.

TallFlyer

I’m not on property yet, but if I was, he’d have my vote in a heartbeat, having met him when serving with the PSA MEC.


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Al Czervik

Sounds like the type of guy we need.

Tranquility

Outsider looking in, but when he was on the 121 Council, he was very helpful during my repeated stints in New York. I can’t believe I’m agreeing with Cujo on something…. 😮

aa73

Quick questions regarding past independents that have switched to ALPA.

Why did the Continental pilots dump IACP and switch to ALPA? Same with FedEx, after dumping FPA for ALPA. Why?
And what was the immediate and long term effect… good, bad or so-so?

Thanks for any answers. I think the answers will help us understand whether it’s a good thing or not.

PRS Guitars

Appreciate the point out, he makes a good case for himself.

R57 relay

I don't know much about unions, other than being a member of 3 and watching from the sidelines. All three had issues. If given a choice, I'd go back to ALPA.

That said, a question for those of you that have taken the time to volunteer and do know about various unions. Does so much of the APA's dysfunction come from the massive number of pilots on the board? Did it work better before the merger? Some of the contract provisions seem to indicate NO to that one. I just wonder if we went to a seniority band of representation that cut the board in half if it would be better.

Thoughts?

rickair7777

Size of the pilot group was probably a factor... a small-ish independent cannot necessarily afford all the overhead support and bennies that ALPA shares across it's affiliates.

Cujo665

APA has a very large BOD. That said, you also have the largest pilot group too. APA is also comprised of many merged airlines, many flow thrus from different regionals with different management styles, military, and just off the street from somebody else’s mismanaged airline. Then break it down more by seat, seniority, age group, local vs commuter, single vs family…. and you end up with a single group with 40 different main objectives and 1000 variations on how to get there. You’re also doing your fist full contract since the concessionary bankruptcy contract if I recall correctly. So, there will be tons of things way way out of date with the state of the industry.
Sam has a real nack for getting guys with vastly different ideas to stop fighting and start working together. I’ve seen him do it myself against all odds, and still be very effective against a hostile management team. He’s a pilots pilot, and strong unionist.

switching brands from APA to ALPA isn’t going to fix those issues. Either way you have to start putting people in there with vision, experience, and the ability to work together. Fix your leadership problem first and I’m sure you’ll decide you don’t need ALPA. However, if you choose to switch brands do it from a position of strength dictating your terms rather than a position of weakness looking for help that really isn’t there. The solution to your current issues are within your own pilot group.

Cujo665

He was great as an LEC Vice Chairman, and later as the MEC Chairman.
Hope all is well !