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tallpilot 09-11-2025 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by joepilot50 (Post 3948182)
They don't want us to further trip trade with sick.

Have a crappy 4 day trip and TTS won't let you trade into sweet 2 day trip? Call in sick, take those two days off, pick up that 2 day to make up some of the sick burned.

Sounds like the solution to every problem is not making crappy trips. Just sayin'

Name User 09-11-2025 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3948200)
Probably. Everything that seems utterly incomprehensible always seems to be related to IMAX. Maybe I'll figure that out before I retire.

APA should create an IMAX service where you opt in and they handle it on their end. You just show up to work the trips they've got on there for you. I'd do it.

DogPit 09-11-2025 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3948180)
FWIW I've been here ~12 years and have 520 hours in combined banks, but I don't have kids at home making me sick.

I do agree with self repair, total BS to burn 20-30 hours sick on a 4 or 5 day trip when you could work again sometime during it. I know there was some reason AA management was against it, but the reason escapes me now.

I’ve been here 3 and still have 0 in the sick bank.

160to4 09-12-2025 08:42 AM

Simply build better trips. I just saw a 3-4-2-3 trip on open time worth 21:55 smh

RippinClapBombs 09-12-2025 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by 160to4 (Post 3948430)
Simply build better trips. I just saw a 3-4-2-3 trip on open time worth 21:55 smh

Yeah sounds about right. Probably matching pay/credit and multiple duty periods extended past 12h with 11-12h rest. Those type of sequences go to the junior reserves—which is why they’re all complaining about being burned out while their Reserve Days Worked for the month are floating around 11-13. That sequence should be an easy fatigue call out by day 3.


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3948201)
Sounds like the solution to every problem is not making crappy trips. Just sayin'

1:1 pay for duty periods extended past 10h—problem solved. They could also push for a minimum daily guarantee SWA style without the AM/PM trip construction, but that would require APA to lead the way for once (specifically regarding lineholders rules), which will never happen. Those industry leading LTD benefits though…

tallpilot 09-12-2025 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3948433)
Yeah sounds about right. Probably matching pay/credit and multiple duty periods extended past 12h with 11-12h rest. Those type of sequences go to the junior reserves—which is why they’re all complaining about being burned out while their Reserve Days Worked for the month are floating around 11-13. That sequence should be an easy fatigue call out by day 3.



1:1 pay for duty periods extended past 10h—problem solved. They could also push for a minimum daily guarantee SWA style without the AM/PM trip construction, but that would require APA to lead the way for once (specifically regarding lineholders rules), which will never happen. Those industry leading LTD benefits though…

Fatigue is wonderful on reserve. Just fly the first leg out of base first.

You hit the nail on the head. That's why reserve feels so awful. Juniors get called often, not every single day, but when they do it's to fly the trash nobody else will touch with a 10' pole.

Who's right? The union says the 10 hour rig would push us towards longer trips. My solution, if onerous trips are a necessity, is to make them 2 days. 3 leg days pretty much suck but if it's a 2 day at least it ends quickly and you get more nights in your bed.

Name User 09-12-2025 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3948433)
Yeah sounds about right. Probably matching pay/credit and multiple duty periods extended past 12h with 11-12h rest. Those type of sequences go to the junior reserves—which is why they’re all complaining about being bu[rned out while their Reserve Days Worked for the month are floating around 11-13. That sequence should be an easy fatigue call out by day 3.

I get how scope got sold now.

I remember being at the regionals and everyone was like "just make it mainline with mainline pay". Now that mainline has absorbed a lot of regional flying, "we don't want that flying anyway".

8802 09-12-2025 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3948455)
I get how scope got sold now.

I remember being at the regionals and everyone was like "just make it mainline with mainline pay". Now that mainline has absorbed a lot of regional flying, "we don't want that flying anyway".

Bingo.

Scope was a great late 90's early 2000's rallying cry, but in reality, few missed that flying and then everyone proceeded to craft their work rules assuming that flying would never return. For us, that flying, combined with ACD means the whole system needs a reboot.

[sarcasm]But thank God we got rid of slash trips![/sarcasm]

RippinClapBombs 09-12-2025 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3948455)
I get how scope got sold now.

I remember being at the regionals and everyone was like "just make it mainline with mainline pay". Now that mainline has absorbed a lot of regional flying, "we don't want that flying anyway".

Keep gaslighting, you’re just naive sitting on the pretty side of the seniority list. I’ll fly 1.5-2 hour legs any day of the week to a regional airport and back with 5 hour total daily block and layovers generally around 16-18h because the duty stayed below 10h. Unfortunately 3 legs at AA looks something like 2.5h leg, 2.5h sit, 3.5h leg, 50 min sit, 2.25h leg, resulting in 8.5h block and over 12h duty because we have zero limitations on trip construction in our contract.

skruts 09-12-2025 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3948475)
Unfortunately 3 legs at AA looks something like 2.5h leg, 2.5h sit, 3.5h leg, 50 min sit, 2.25h leg, resulting in 8.5h block and over 12h duty.

This isn’t even slightly exaggerated either.

The vast majority of trips in my base start and/or end with a day exactly like that. I bid as many 1-1s and turns as I can, but there are so many more trips exactly like what you’ve described that you’ll inevitably end up with a couple on your award.

Must be fixed.


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