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APTAP 09-10-2025 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 3947420)
I mean to be fair, I have flown with plenty of 6-year CAs with wide bodies…

that one flew right by everyone, I think.

ImSoSuss 09-10-2025 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Snake1234 (Post 3947534)
Give examples. You are speaking in bland generalities to slam APA with zero specifics. If you are advocating switching unions at least make an intelligent argument.

You've been living in a hole for the last 4 years?

tallpilot 09-10-2025 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 3444836)
That might have been the case 30 years ago, definitely not today.

This might be true but I'd still take American over WN or any LCC or ACMI. In your 20s? Probably Delta or United is a better bet for stability. 40+ American probably still has the most rapid seniority accrual in the first 5 years (giving the choice between decent FO line holder or super junior NB CA). WB is a wild card but I fear it will stay a small percentage of the fleet and FO will take a long time and CA is probably impossible.

SomeAv8tor 09-10-2025 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Snake1234 (Post 3947534)
Give examples. You are speaking in bland generalities to slam APA with zero specifics. If you are advocating switching unions at least make an intelligent argument.

Sick time to start. Also, how about all those areas of the contract that were only added after United announced their TA and APA had to quickly play catch up and pretend they did the work knowing full well they got us the bare minimum because “the company said no”. The amount of senior pilots I flew with that never read our TA was astounding. Many still don’t know the contract. I remember Ed sounding like a bumbling goon on town halls. Hotel language was another one Ed brushed off. Check out where we stay in RSW and then ask your United buddies where they stay. I guarantee it’s not in a shopping center or next to the highway.

Bigpimppilot 09-10-2025 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by SomeAv8tor (Post 3947904)
Sick time to start. Also, how about all those areas of the contract that were only added after United announced their TA and APA had to quickly play catch up and pretend they did the work knowing full well they got us the bare minimum because “the company said no”. The amount of senior pilots I flew with that never read our TA was astounding. Many still don’t know the contract. I remember Ed sounding like a bumbling goon on town halls. Hotel language was another one Ed brushed off. Check out where we stay in RSW and then ask your United buddies where they stay. I guarantee it’s not in a shopping center or next to the highway.

We asked for qol improvements but they said no. I guess apa will have to look into that next time when we are in a down economy. We’ll get it then

Beech Dude 09-10-2025 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by SomeAv8tor (Post 3947904)
Sick time to start. Also, how about all those areas of the contract that were only added after United announced their TA and APA had to quickly play catch up and pretend they did the work knowing full well they got us the bare minimum because “the company said no”. The amount of senior pilots I flew with that never read our TA was astounding. Many still don’t know the contract. I remember Ed sounding like a bumbling goon on town halls. Hotel language was another one Ed brushed off. Check out where we stay in RSW and then ask your United buddies where they stay. I guarantee it’s not in a shopping center or next to the highway.

For real. Our annual accrual and sick is ridiculous. Not up to snuff and have a 3 day? Boom, you just burned 25% of your annual accrual on one trip.

Gains? Sure, a bit. Im glad new hires dont have to deal with the 0 sick for 6 months crap like before. ESB is a major gain IMO too.

However, only 60 hrs/yr is garbage. Not having a way to get back sick, ala sick day 1, but well by day 2 but too bad, you burn 3 days worth of sick. Why not have an option to get your 10.30 of sick back via a self-repair/RO/LC type situation is also garbage. If not? Ok, fine, charge the full amount of sick.

irrelevant 09-11-2025 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by SomeAv8tor (Post 3947904)
Sick time to start. Also, how about all those areas of the contract that were only added after United announced their TA and APA had to quickly play catch up and pretend they did the work knowing full well they got us the bare minimum because “the company said no”. The amount of senior pilots I flew with that never read our TA was astounding. Many still don’t know the contract. I remember Ed sounding like a bumbling goon on town halls. Hotel language was another one Ed brushed off. Check out where we stay in RSW and then ask your United buddies where they stay. I guarantee it’s not in a shopping center or next to the highway.

I can't believe anyone complains about the RSW hotel. I always catch up on my furniture shopping when there. :)

Seriously though...that has got to be one of the worst-planned commercial developments I've seen. Hotels and furniture stores are about as far apart as you can get on the spectrum of complementary businesses.

BrazilBusDriver 09-11-2025 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 3948093)
I can't believe anyone complains about the RSW hotel. I always catch up on my furniture shopping when there. :)

Seriously though...that has got to be one of the worst-planned commercial developments I've seen. Hotels and furniture stores are about as far apart as you can get on the spectrum of complementary businesses.

"So, uhh, I really like this couch. Do you guys deliver to Phoenix?"

SomeAv8tor 09-11-2025 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 3948093)
I can't believe anyone complains about the RSW hotel. I always catch up on my furniture shopping when there. :)

Seriously though...that has got to be one of the worst-planned commercial developments I've seen. Hotels and furniture stores are about as far apart as you can get on the spectrum of complementary businesses.

Never know when you’re going to need to pick up a sweet end table after getting a cheeseburger dog from 7-11. I was speaking about the long stays there. Just as terrible. Had a family member pick me up once and laughed that we stayed there.


skruts 09-11-2025 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 3948093)
I can't believe anyone complains about the RSW hotel. I always catch up on my furniture shopping when there. :)

Seriously though...that has got to be one of the worst-planned commercial developments I've seen. Hotels and furniture stores are about as far apart as you can get on the spectrum of complementary businesses.

What gets me about the RSW hotel, which they moved to an even worse hotel, is the company claims there are “no other options” in the area. Meanwhile, Delta stays at a full blown resort there…


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