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AAL24 06-21-2022 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3444850)
Expand on this thought? More than a sound bite?


It would take too long to highlight all the areas where the APA negotiated contract lags our peers. But I think it's safe to say our contract has significantly trailed our peers for a long time. We will always have comprable hourly pay rates but beyond that all bets are off. I don't think APA is up to the task for closing the gap in work rules, QOL, and total compensation. A merger with ALPA is probably our best hope for catching up. Possibly a few thousand retirements off the top will help. A lot of our senior pilots don't even realize how far we've fallen behind our legacy peers and I doubt they care much.

JulesWinfield 09-09-2025 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by SoftHands (Post 3947370)
Settle a bet for me, please. How many years on property does the WB captain plug have at AA? An acquaintance claims he has been there for 6 years and is on the 787 as a captain.

1999 hire, lol.

dsevo 09-09-2025 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3947384)
1999 hire, lol.

I think there are a couple exceptions in the schoolhouse.

piranhawc 09-09-2025 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by SoftHands (Post 3947370)
Settle a bet for me, please. How many years on property does the WB captain plug have at AA? An acquaintance claims he has been there for 6 years and is on the 787 as a captain.

You mean you read a reddit thread and couldn't do the math?

AllYourBaseAreB 09-09-2025 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by SoftHands (Post 3947370)
Settle a bet for me, please. How many years on property does the WB captain plug have at AA? An acquaintance claims he has been there for 6 years and is on the 787 as a captain.

If he truly is the random dude that is a 787 CKA waaaaay out of seniority to hold it, he is a little biotch working at 737 rates to fly a 787…

ClncClarence 09-09-2025 10:32 AM

I mean to be fair, I have flown with plenty of 6-year CAs with wide bodies…

adam28 09-09-2025 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by SoftHands (Post 3947370)
Settle a bet for me, please. How many years on property does the WB captain plug have at AA? An acquaintance claims he has been there for 6 years and is on the 787 as a captain.

is his name Tim Martins????

Snake1234 09-09-2025 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 3444910)
It would take too long to highlight all the areas where the APA negotiated contract lags our peers. But I think it's safe to say our contract has significantly trailed our peers for a long time. We will always have comprable hourly pay rates but beyond that all bets are off. I don't think APA is up to the task for closing the gap in work rules, QOL, and total compensation. A merger with ALPA is probably our best hope for catching up. Possibly a few thousand retirements off the top will help. A lot of our senior pilots don't even realize how far we've fallen behind our legacy peers and I doubt they care much.

Give examples. You are speaking in bland generalities to slam APA with zero specifics. If you are advocating switching unions at least make an intelligent argument.

Bigpimppilot 09-10-2025 02:21 AM


Originally Posted by adam28 (Post 3947421)
is his name Tim Martins????

tell me you’ve been 121 for at least 17 years without telling me. Poor Timmy, probably still needs to have the best story.


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