Originally Posted by Snake1234 (Post 3496101)

You mean whining, not generalizations. Why not get specific? Why not spell out what is a “good deal” instead of incipient complaining?

Originally Posted by Snake1234 (Post 3496051)

Ahhh, the inflation argument. Ok, let’s dig in. With the current movement, you can hold NB CA in under three years. So let’s focus there as the incentives in place push the pilot group that direction. In a 10/5/3 scenario, a NB CA at 7 years (3 year upgrade, roughly 3 year raise period) would make roughly 354K at 80 hours/mo. Inflation only affects your cost bucket. Housing, transportation, groceries. What is that cost bucket compared to your salary? Housing for the vast part of a pilot group is stable, the other costs went up. However, your salary going up from 275K to 354K eclipses your costs by thousands of dollars. Let’s debate with facts, the argument that it doesn’t keep up with inflation is dumb and mathematically illiterate.

Originally Posted by NotPhlying (Post 3496106)

When it comes to pay...

15% DOS, Jan 5%, Jan 5%, Jan 3% indefinite after CBA expires

Full retro 9% (3% per year without CBA)

International override 5% of your hourly rate.

Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3496108)

Housing in major metro areas (like where we have pilot bases) is through the roof. Rents are up 30% in many cities and the cost of owning is the highest in the history of our country, adjusted for inflation. Interest rates are on the rise too so it’s only going to get more expensive. And wait til your heating bill roles in this winter. These expenses alone can not be over stated. Forget about the buying power you had in 2019 vs today, we’re also trying to negotiate a RAISE here in case you forgot! 10/5/3 doesn’t even come close to keeping up with inflation let alone securing an actual raise.

Originally Posted by Snake1234 (Post 3496051)

Ahhh, the inflation argument. Ok, let’s dig in. With the current movement, you can hold NB CA in under three years. So let’s focus there as the incentives in place push the pilot group that direction. In a 10/5/3 scenario, a NB CA at 7 years (3 year upgrade, roughly 3 year raise period) would make roughly 354K at 80 hours/mo. Inflation only affects your cost bucket. Housing, transportation, groceries. What is that cost bucket compared to your salary? Housing for the vast part of a pilot group is stable, the other costs went up. However, your salary going up from 275K to 354K eclipses your costs by thousands of dollars. Let’s debate with facts, the argument that it doesn’t keep up with inflation is dumb and mathematically illiterate.

Originally Posted by Snake1234 (Post 3496120)

I know it isn’t what you want to hear, but it actually is a raise. I’m trying to ground the debate in facts. Bring it. I hope to be wrong, but I absolutely will not let bs math fly. Regarding housing costs, yes they have gone up, but rent from $2,500 to $3,500 per month does not make the point you think it does (12K in cost v 34K raise before 401K for a 5 year FO).

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3496122)

This “raise” (which actually isn’t even keeping up with the equivalent purchasing power your dollar held in 2019) would STILL not allow your narrowbody Captains to make more than regional airline Captains right now. It’s absurd that you’re even entertaining it.

Originally Posted by Snake1234 (Post 3496120)

I know it isn’t what you want to hear, but it actually is a raise. I’m trying to ground the debate in facts. Bring it. I hope to be wrong, but I absolutely will not let bs math fly. Regarding housing costs, yes they have gone up, but rent from $2,500 to $3,500 per month does not make the point you think it does (12K in cost v 34K raise before 401K for a 5 year FO).

Originally Posted by RadialRover (Post 3496124)

So by your “solid math” you think 1/3 of a raise immediately vanishing for housing before you factor in any other increased costs is a substantial increase in compensation?

Management shill. Management shill. You created this account literally to troll people and tell them they’re not worth being compensated for their work.

Originally Posted by Snake1234 (Post 3496132)

If my pay rate goes from $268 to $324 in roughly 18 months, you are saying that doesn’t keep up with inflation? I don’t see it. A 56K raise in pure pay rates outpaces your costs to the point it is not a raise? Ok, then what does it take? What is the number? And is it grounded in reality?