My understanding of those moving to Texas and Florida, a majority are red, not blue. That’s what the surveys are showing. Dr. Thomas Sowell would call it self sorting.

This is absolutely happening. The blue folks are fleeing FL as well. Broward isn't what it used to be and Collier is quickly catching up...all good things. America is a free country and they're free to go back to Cali and NY and deal with the idiots, drugs, and high taxes.

so there’s no drug trade in Florida? :D

Oh there absolutely is; never going to dispute that. I was referring to tax-payer funded junkie clinics and the daily open air use of hard drugs and crime rampant in every major city in California. Ok, apologies correcting drift...back to drops.

The reds are fleeing CA and NY. Some blues are fleeing TX and FL. Some blues in TX and FL are converting to red. (As examples are Cuban Immigrants in FL now voting red, in higher proportions.) Self sorting.

The Cubans and most normal Americans don't want the school taking little Juan and turning him into little Juanita and telling the parents that they'll lose their kid if they don't agree. The blue party was completely taken over by the psychos from NYC, Coastal CA, and the tech industry. During 2020 when parents started seeing some of what was being taught in the schools, the changes started happening, at least in middle America and most of the South.

- No 401K contribution your first year
- Your second year pay won't start until a year and a half after your hire date, that will remain your pay-date for the rest of your career.

These two things combined will result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost retirement income.

Unlike Delta and United where new hires get a wide range of base and aircraft choices (including widebodies) right out of class, you will get 737 or A320 in LGA and MIA with a hope and a prayer you get the base you want within your first year. This was the last class drop:

MIA FO 737 I - 5
LGA FO 737 D - 17
PHL FO 320 I - 6
LGA FO 320 D - 21

An established old guard who stimey progress at this airline in the name of decades old grudges. Were more than happy to lock us into a subpar TA while the other Legacies leapfrog us in pay and continue to be light-years ahead in QOL.

Lot to consider for people who have a choice in what airline they want to spend the rest of their life at.

Could you at least try and not be so dramatically dishonest?

every detail this person listed is 100% accurate. Where is he being dishonest? He listed facts and gave some dramatic opinions in addition.

The opinions are opinions and are based on the horrible state of our airline and union. Both are perfect for one another. They each operate in Cooperation with one another that will ensure AA pilots remain at the bottom of the industry. We have former APA pilots helping the company negotiate against us.

I guess i just don't see where this post is dishonest. I know you love to reply to posts you don't like and call them lies, but let's not be so obvious about it, since everyone else can recognize what was said as accurate.

It’s a fact that year 2 pay starts 1.5 years for everyone? Is it not normal for new hires being based in less than desirable locations? The horror of having to commute for a few months before you can have the base of your choosing. The only factual thing he listed was the 401k. Just be honest, there is no need to distort things to push a narrative.

I have heard people say if Democrat JFK were alive today, with his views, he would be called an ultra-MAGA extremist.

Now returning you to this thread topic, 2023 Class Drops.

BINGO

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About half the new hires from last fall would disagree with you on the 18 month thing. The wait may be temporarily down now but I guarantee you it gets backed up again by summer.

Yes, you can get to your base eventually. However some bases will take two to three vacancies to hold. With that said AA's class drops have no rhyme or reason. At least the drops at UA and Delta have some variety so you at least have a chance of getting what you want right away.

Then at least be honest. You state 18 months as fact. Yes it was 18 months for some people last fall, the last 200 people hired it has been in the 14-15 month range.

Drop for next week???

Next weeks class drops???

15 months for me. Still ****ty honestly, it should be from date of hire.

100% and I agree. I also don’t think it’s too hard asking for honest answers and not misleading ones because of an agenda.

I'd prefer to see STD and LTD get fixed first, then 401k starting day 1, then anniversary date being fixed, in that order.

Top Men are claiming that 401k and pay effective date at date of hire are in APA’s updated proposal. One Top Man claims the ask even includes retro for those particular items.

Ball’s in Robert’s court. You’ll see how much he values labor. Or, more accurately, Lucretia Guia’s court, since Robert farms out these type of things so he can hide and avoid making tough decisions.

HA! Whoever told you that should do stand-up...

WB can be like that. The WB fleet has shrunk and AA is not interested in actually flying over the oceans, instead preferring to use codeshare partners to do the flying for them.

NB, hang on to your hat Snoopy....

Yeah, I've seen junior line-holders purposely bid reserve but not really from anybody that is senior. The flaw in that plan is that seniority only means something in your group. If somebody has more hours than you so far in the month, you will be used before the other guy regardless of how senior you are. At the end of the month everybody has roughly the same amount of usage.

Not if you bid 3 day late RAPs

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I flew with a very senior CA who has been at the company 30 years and has never bid a line. Not once.

Also, everyone may appear to have similar usage in terms of GTD, but there’s a very big variance in people’s TAFB, which can be minimized with a good bid.

From the company's perspective that could be pretty smart; would potentially increase the percentage of junior folks that vote for a TA. Same thing they tried to do with vacation pay for the senior guys in the last one.

Point of order, but that's the first class drop in a while that's majority LGA narrowbody. Hopefully not the start of a trend, but it is likely that you'll get out of LGA and somewhere more conducive to happiness in the first vacancy one is on property for.

As to your point about widebodies, obviously accurate.

AA’s VP of Labor Relations. She… isn’t a friend to labor, to put it nicely.

Yep. But a couple things- people underestimate how much AA management hates labor, and would rather burn the place to the ground than “give away” something. As has been pointed out, the low-hanging fruit that is 401k start date for non-flow new hires and pay effective date is something AA will hopefully NEED to fix on their own and SHOULD fix on their own. I asked some people who would supposedly have knowledge of APA’s updated proposal, and they indicated that it is indeed part of the ask. I personally don’t think it’s a top priority, nor should it be (AA should fix it themselves like Delta did for new hire hotels), but it’s in there. That sorta dispels the notion that “APA won’t even ask for it” and “APA doesn’t care about new hires”.

Oh I don't disagree with your position at all. I can see why the company would want it in there, but unfortunately there will be no way to know what the overall package would've been had those not been part of the deal, so a meaningful comparison of the two would be damn near impossible.

Sigh. Imagine Jordon without Pippin.

Top…. Men.

Does anyone know if there is a class this week? FEB 15? Still no drop linked and only 3 days away. Thanks

Class drops are due a day before class starts. If they come earlier then it is a bonus.

Yes, there is a class.

What specifically is he being dishonest about?

Do you have the ability to read words?

Do you have the ability to form and express coherent thoughts or just snarky remarks? Answer the question. It's not a hard one.

I’ve already answered the question.

Ok. Send me a link to the thread. I'm happy to read it and respond there.

Well, if your words actually pointed something out that was incorrect