If ending back up in PHX was my goal, what would you reccomend I bid for during training? Any 320 base then hope to transfer to PHX when the vacancy bid comes out? Thanks for your help

nah it’s probably better to bid the 737 and hope for a new 737 base in PHX :D

yes, bid for the equipment you want for the base you want. Meaning. If you want phx bid equipment that is in phx. So if that means taking a lga 320 slot. Do that , otherwise when that chance of a mutual base exchange via different equipment is near rare, to get to phx a320. Also bid each vacancy for phx and you can hold it it’s yours. Now if you bid 737 some base cause you decide it’s an easier commute or somthing and bid the vacancy to a320 phx. You can get it awarded but They can withhold your training event to change equipment for up to 12 months. Which is highly likely because new hires are the priority. Not an equipment change. So you could potentially wait another 12 months to get the base you want. So if base and wuipment is not available at the time of your new hire vlass
drop. Then you need to bid the equipment that is in your base. For places like Miami or dfw etc that has both 737 and Airbus. Doesn’t matter. You can make it in either plane. But phl and phx. Only have the bus. I recommend you bid for the bus. It’s your fastest path back to base.

Sorry, I'm new....

What do the I and D in the drops mean?

Domestic and international. Not really what it seems though. It's basically over water or not.

After Indoc, how long do you get sent home for till the sims open up for your training? Specifically on the 320. Attempting to plan our summer out. I’ll be an early May basic indoc.

Flew with a new guy and said they’ve caught up a bunch, wait is down to 2-3 weeks

Finished indoc March 7th. Go back for ground/sims April 7th.

The 737 had a longer wait. They go back April 23rd

Is there a class on for tomorrow? If so, did the class drop come out?

No classes this week due to the major holiday of DST. No set time when drops come out. The requirement is at least the day before so people have time to come up with a strategy to bid, which takes place your first day. But most of the time it comes out sooner then that.

Thanks for this.

Seniority in INDOC
 

I’m sure this was asked, or answered, I can’t find it.
what’s seniority based on in Indoc? DOB? SS#?
any help would be appreciated.

DOB for AA.

Is there any flexibility in this? We were planning min 4 weeks. If it ends up 2, I need to make some adjustments with travel plan.

thank you, anyone happen to know average age for classes?

No, but you can adjus your bid if you need longer time. When you get the bid list on the first day, each slot shows your estimated training start. Some are sooner than others and can vary up to two or three weeks. If you really need that time off you can bid for the longest break after INDOC. Although you may not get the base or aircraft that you want, but that is up to you to decide what is more important. I highly doubt they will give you a longer paid break if you request it. Although I have heard of people requesting and getting earlier class dates. I think they put you on a list and you get a call if a slot opens up.

Thank you for all of the great information. Any word on new hire training for the bus in Phoenix? I heard that simulators were moved there.

for recurrent. Eventually for initial training, when? Unknown.

My guess is highly unlikely for new hire training in PHX

I’m going for new hire training next month

When did you finish indoc?

as it turns out, you actually weren’t hired by American :D

~3 weeks ago.

They still do new hire bus training in Dfw?

DFW, CLT, and just set up a facility in PHX. From what I've seen though PHX will be mostly recurrent. We have the new crew hotel on the AA campus in DFW so the majority of new hires should expect Dallas. Good luck.

The don't like to separate new hires from the main training campus, so if they are sending people elsewhere they really must be ding everything they can to prevent the huge training delays we've seen in the past.

Supposedly the new company hotel will not be used for long courses. Just recurrent and short courses.

I completed new hire training in Charlotte last year. There were new hires in my class doing sims in Miami. I don’t think they care. They just want it done.

MIA/FO/320/I 6
LGA/FO/320/D 32
PHL/FO/320/I 2
MIA/FO/737/I 4
LGA/FO/737/D 4

22 March class options

they should make all LGA 320 CA honorary CKA… holy cow

Does the MBE require the same equipment including D or I designation? In other words, if you get 320 D, can you swap for 320 I via the MBE?

no it does not. Good way to get lost in the system waiting for your various quals

Is it pretty common for a young guy to get stuck on the 737? I’m 27 and will most likely be one or the younger new hires in class. I don’t mind the 737 I’m just trying to get back to PHX. I’m still trying to decide between SWA and AA. If anyone has input/advice, much appreciated.

Yes, usually the last slots are 737 slots. However it depends on a lot of factors. For example the bid you are replying to is the most lopsided Airbus bid I have ever seen, which is very bad for people that want to get to an 737 only base.

Only likely to get stuck with 737 if there are a lot of LGA737. I think it's typical that more senior in your class would bid 737 in any base other than LGA once the non-LGA320 spots are gone. Also people who want MIA often bid for 737 so they can do the island flying. Our class had very few 737 spots and they were gone by the time we got to the bottom 15ish.

In general, our class went:
1. Non-LGA320
2. Non-LGA737
3. LGA 737 (People wanting MIA, ORD, BOS)
4. LGA 320

Bottom of the list often Lga 320 awards. Next class has 32 of them….

And take a pay cut?

that’s why I say honorary…. I don’t want to work 18 days a month

So LGA is just THAT bad, huh?

Trying to prepare myself to make an informed Mar 29 bid.
I’m 54 so with any luck I’ll have lots to choose from.