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pitchattitude 07-14-2023 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by blulavboy (Post 3665057)
Not having a dog in this fight I promise......Has anyone in the recent classes come across many from the WOs? I mean is it quicker for those at WOs to get on with AA vs. sitting it out and waiting to flow? A friend who's been at Envoy for about 2 years now and trying to see where he sit's on the flow ladder? Thanks!

Quickest way to get to AA from a WO is to leave and go anywhere else. Unfortunate, but the numbers continue to prove this is the case

Leaving a WO and being able to show that new employer and type on your resume is the way to go.

pitchattitude 07-14-2023 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by GunnF16 (Post 3665911)
mia/fo/737/i 10

lga/fo/737/d 15

phl/fo/320/i 5

lga/fo/320/d 30

OUCH!

Ten chrs.

GunnF16 07-15-2023 09:31 AM

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2023 Drops so far based on posts here.

APCbot 07-15-2023 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by GunnF16 (Post 3666304)
2023 Drops so far based on posts here.

Thanks for doing that. I can't believe there have been no DFW/320 drops. No wonder I'm still at the bottom.

ImSoSuss 07-15-2023 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by APCbot (Post 3666313)
Thanks for doing that. I can't believe there have been no DFW/320 drops. No wonder I'm still at the bottom.

Yep, with some bid statuses the only way to gain seniority is through vacancy bids. They never see the class drops.

pitchattitude 07-15-2023 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by APCbot (Post 3666313)
Thanks for doing that. I can't believe there have been no DFW/320 drops. No wonder I'm still at the bottom.

Why is that hard to believe? There are no PHX/CLT/ORD drops either.

JulesWinfield 07-15-2023 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3666663)
Why is that hard to believe? There are no PHX/CLT/ORD drops either.

The last 2 TDY bids have had 30+ FOs going from LGA to DFW

iSuckFlying 07-16-2023 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by GunnF16 (Post 3666304)
2023 Drops so far based on posts here.

Weekly classes. Damn. Things are moving fast.

lukec 07-17-2023 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by GunnF16 (Post 3666304)
2023 Drops so far based on posts here.

what an awesome product, thank you!

pitchattitude 07-17-2023 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by iSuckFlying (Post 3667501)
Weekly classes. Damn. Things are moving fast.

Except for skipping the entire month of June…

Those extra ten per week is just making up for the 200ish they didn’t hire in June.

Bmaggiori 07-18-2023 01:30 PM

If I don’t get the base that I wanted, can I bid to change my base before my training ends? Without changing the equipment obviously…

aggieflyboy 07-18-2023 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Bmaggiori (Post 3668489)
If I don’t get the base that I wanted, can I bid to change my base before my training ends? Without changing the equipment obviously…

yes to both

Bmaggiori 07-18-2023 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by aggieflyboy (Post 3668492)
yes to both

Great … thank you!!!

JulesWinfield 07-18-2023 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Bmaggiori (Post 3668502)
Great … thank you!!!

It’s not quite that simple. We only do quarterly vacancies, so it depends on your timing.

Bmaggiori 07-18-2023 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3668559)
It’s not quite that simple. We only do quarterly vacancies, so it depends on your timing.

So, the next bid will be in September?

AllYourBaseAreB 07-18-2023 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Bmaggiori (Post 3668594)
So, the next bid will be in September?

we have a minimum of 3 per year, usually actually have 4. September bid with January/feb/mar effective dates is a good bet. They have the ability to withhold you though.

Idol47 07-20-2023 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by GunnF16 (Post 3665911)
mia/fo/737/i 10

lga/fo/737/d 15

phl/fo/320/i 5

lga/fo/320/d 30

What is the difference between "i" and "d"?

CaptLumbar89 07-20-2023 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by Idol47 (Post 3669353)
What is the difference between "i" and "d"?

International vs Domestic... They're slowing moving away from the separate designation

Brawndo 07-20-2023 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by Idol47 (Post 3669353)
What is the difference between "i" and "d"?

International and Domestic

papmik 07-20-2023 05:47 AM

[QUOTE=Brawndo;3669358]International and Domestic[/QUOT
if I get let’s say LGA 320d could I bid MIA 320i on the next vacancy?

joepilot50 07-20-2023 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by papmik (Post 3669382)
[if I get let’s say LGA 320d could I bid MIA 320i on the next vacancy?

Yes.

You wouldn't be able to do trips that are "international" until you get scheduled to go back for the international ground school and getting the qual by doing a flight with a CKP.

AllYourBaseAreB 07-20-2023 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by joepilot50 (Post 3669395)
Yes.

You wouldn't be able to do trips that are "international" until you get scheduled to go back for the international ground school and getting the qual by doing a flight with a CKP.

I’ve heard that all new hires are getting int ground school these days but that may no longer be true. Hide from the CKA either way haha

forea013 07-20-2023 10:25 AM

Received this in my email today.

LGA/FO/737/I 5


MIA/FO/737/I 17

LGA/FO/737/D 10

PHL/FO/320/I 5

LGA/FO/320/D 25

What are odds of me getting PHL? 28 Years old... I am expecting to be near the bottom of seniority based on everyone I had the pleasure of interviewing with in May.

Supermoto 07-20-2023 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by forea013 (Post 3669585)
Received this in my email today.

LGA/FO/737/I 5


MIA/FO/737/I 17

LGA/FO/737/D 10

PHL/FO/320/I 5

LGA/FO/320/D 25

What are odds of me getting PHL? 28 Years old... I am expecting to be near the bottom of seniority based on everyone I had the pleasure of interviewing with in May.

In my recent class we had 5 PHL. The first three went super senior, the last two not so much. But seeing as there is no MIA 320 then I'd have to say about 100% chance you get LGA if you want the 320. Keep in mind, it's highly likely you'll be able to bid out of LGA by the end of training or shortly thereafter so if you want the 320 take LGA and bid out ASAP.

CaptTX 07-20-2023 10:42 AM

Does DFW ever pop up as a base option for hew hires in training or do you have to wait a bit.

forea013 07-20-2023 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Supermoto (Post 3669593)
In my recent class we had 5 PHL. The first three went super senior, the last two not so much. But seeing as there is no MIA 320 then I'd have to say about 100% chance you get LGA if you want the 320. Keep in mind, it's highly likely you'll be able to bid out of LGA by the end of training or shortly thereafter so if you want the 320 take LGA and bid out ASAP.

Good Point! I just noticed that, I am surprised to see no MIA A320. I do want the 320, but I figured so does everyone else lol (Already typed in it) But I will accept gratefully whatever I get. Thanks for the input!

Idol47 07-20-2023 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Supermoto (Post 3669593)
In my recent class we had 5 PHL. The first three went super senior, the last two not so much. But seeing as there is no MIA 320 then I'd have to say about 100% chance you get LGA if you want the 320. Keep in mind, it's highly likely you'll be able to bid out of LGA by the end of training or shortly thereafter so if you want the 320 take LGA and bid out ASAP.


if you bid out before you are out of training does that mean you never actually fly out of there of do you still have to do some time?

Setspeed 07-20-2023 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Idol47 (Post 3669641)
if you bid out before you are out of training does that mean you never actually fly out of there of do you still have to do some time?

Vacancy training dates are 4, 5, & 6 months later, so you'll definitely do some time if you get it in the first vacancy. If you do a mutual base exchange, you might not. I got LGA on day 1, awarded a base swap with MBE a week later, and never commuted to LGA.

CRJJ 07-20-2023 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 3669649)
Vacancy training dates are 4, 5, & 6 months later, so you'll definitely do some time if you get it in the first vacancy. If you do a mutual base exchange, you might not. I got LGA on day 1, awarded a base swap with MBE a week later, and never commuted to LGA.

You should go to Vegas and gamble. You lucky human

Idol47 07-20-2023 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 3669649)
Vacancy training dates are 4, 5, & 6 months later, so you'll definitely do some time if you get it in the first vacancy. If you do a mutual base exchange, you might not. I got LGA on day 1, awarded a base swap with MBE a week later, and never commuted to LGA.

how do you know if its 4,5, or 6 months? what sets that?

Setspeed 07-20-2023 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Idol47 (Post 3669662)
how do you know if its 4,5, or 6 months? what sets that?

Crew Planning or whatever the equivalent department is called here. Manning? I don’t keep up. It’s chosen for you.

Lifeson2112 07-20-2023 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Idol47 (Post 3669641)
if you bid out before you are out of training does that mean you never actually fly out of there of do you still have to do some time?

i got MIA in indoc but never flew out of there. Vacancy bid result to different base kicked in before OE (did have a 3 month break to training which may not be the case anymore).

AllYourBaseAreB 07-20-2023 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Lifeson2112 (Post 3669680)
i got MIA in indoc but never flew out of there. Vacancy bid result to different base kicked in before OE (did have a 3 month break to training which may not be the case anymore).

the long breaks for new hires are over, for now..

Cloudkickerr 07-22-2023 07:11 AM

Does indoc run through the holidays? For example, do training classes proceed normally through the period of Thanksgiving-New Years without interruption?

Setspeed 07-22-2023 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Cloudkickerr (Post 3670587)
Does indoc run through the holidays? For example, do training classes proceed normally through the period of Thanksgiving-New Years without interruption?

Last year think they took 3 or 4 weeks off in Nov & Dec

WhyIFly 07-23-2023 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Cloudkickerr (Post 3670587)
Does indoc run through the holidays? For example, do training classes proceed normally through the period of Thanksgiving-New Years without interruption?

They have confirmed no new hire classes in December, and likely no class in November either.

AllYourBaseAreB 07-23-2023 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by WhyIFly (Post 3671064)
They have confirmed no new hire classes in December, and likely no class in November either.

where did hear about November?

HastyPack 07-23-2023 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by WhyIFly (Post 3671064)
They have confirmed no new hire classes in December, and likely no class in November either.

There should be classes the first 3 weeks of November. Then off for Thanksgiving and December

MCDUmanipulator 07-23-2023 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by WhyIFly (Post 3671064)
They have confirmed no new hire classes in December, and likely no class in November either.

confirmed from who?

marcfyve1911 07-23-2023 03:48 PM

im hoping the AF can get their budget situation squared away and I can get in one of those November classes.


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