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ImSoSuss 05-18-2023 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3638207)
But there are no classes in June because they “are backed up”…

Maybe they are backed up because they have been stacking all the classes since it was announced there would be no classes in June???

The "backed" up part is just an excuse to keep CA flows at the Regionals for a little longer during the summer rush. Yes, training wait times have increased a bit but they are no where near the length they were last year. However, to be fair they did not start increasing class sizes to above 45 until after the June announcement.

anthony210 05-18-2023 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3638210)
The "backed" up part is just an excuse to keep CA flows at the Regionals for a little longer during the summer rush. Yes, training wait times have increased a bit but they are no where near the length they were last year. However, to be fair they did not start increasing class sizes to above 45 until after the June announcement.

For what’s it’s worth, I think we are a little backed up because the delay for everyone in the May 17th class between indoc ending and aircraft training is 6+ weeks.

ImSoSuss 05-18-2023 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by anthony210 (Post 3638223)
For what’s it’s worth, I think we are a little backed up because the delay for everyone in the May 17th class between indoc ending and aircraft training is 6+ weeks.

Last year it was 8 to 10 weeks in Spring and increased from there as the year went on. Yes, they are increasing again but the sole reason they stopped classes for a whole month, and not just part of it or in-between two months is because if there is a single class within a month then the company must take flows. The CA shortage is killing AA's regional feed (same with everybody else).

WhyIFly 05-18-2023 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by anthony210 (Post 3638223)
For what’s it’s worth, I think we are a little backed up because the delay for everyone in the May 17th class between indoc ending and aircraft training is 6+ weeks.

6ish weeks is completely normal. You get time off after Indoc, and then time to finish the CBT's (which you are paid for on top of guarantee), and time to study for aircraft training.

Husker75 05-18-2023 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Fly76 (Post 3638167)
Mia 737 i - 17
bos 737 d - 3
lga 737 d - 15
mia 320 i - 5
phl 320 i - 5
lga 320 d - 15

Could someone in the 05/24 class message me please?

Fly76 05-24-2023 01:08 PM

5/31 Drop
 
Lga 737 i - 2
mia 737 i - 8
bos 737 d - 2
lga 737 d - 6
mia 320 i - 20
phl 320 i - 5
lga 320 d - 16

TransWorld 05-25-2023 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by Fly76 (Post 3641083)
Lga 737 i - 2
mia 737 i - 8
bos 737 d - 2
lga 737 d - 6
mia 320 i - 20
phl 320 i - 5
lga 320 d - 16

Miami leading the pack, ahead of New York. Amazing!

CC268 05-26-2023 10:51 AM

What is the likely hood of getting the Airbus if you are one of the younger guys in the class? Are most folks getting what they want. I’d be looking at PHX eventually so I’d want to avoid the 737.

terks43 05-26-2023 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642035)
What is the likely hood of getting the Airbus if you are one of the younger guys in the class? Are most folks getting what they want. I’d be looking at PHX eventually so I’d want to avoid the 737.

Upper 20’s is kind of the limit depending on how many non-LGA slots there are. The more non-LGA the more junior the bus (in LGA) will go. If you’re in your mid 20’s you’re probably going to be stuck on the 737 for 18 months or so. Basically you want to see a ton of Miami slots in your class drop. That or get lucky and end up in a class with the largest number of pilots living in or around ORD and BOS as possible.

Flyinggrill 05-26-2023 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642035)
What is the likely hood of getting the Airbus if you are one of the younger guys in the class? Are most folks getting what they want. I’d be looking at PHX eventually so I’d want to avoid the 737.

It’s completely dependent on your class and drop. I was in a class of 45, with only 18 AB slots I believe. I’m 30 and there were only 737 slots left when the bid got to me. I finally got awarded PHX 320 but I’m withheld and I’ll be commuting until the middle of next year. Withholds can be up to a max of 12 months and you should expect to be withheld the max time right now.

Icaruss 05-26-2023 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642035)
What is the likely hood of getting the Airbus if you are one of the younger guys in the class? Are most folks getting what they want. I’d be looking at PHX eventually so I’d want to avoid the 737.

Let me get the crystal ball out….Not sure, depends.

MCDUmanipulator 05-26-2023 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642035)
What is the likely hood of getting the Airbus if you are one of the younger guys in the class? Are most folks getting what they want. I’d be looking at PHX eventually so I’d want to avoid the 737.

If your younger then around 32 it’ll be hard to get the Airbus.

CC268 05-26-2023 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3642059)
If you’re younger then around 32 it’ll be hard to get the Airbus.

Yea I am 29. Already got the 737 type from SWA. Being stuck on the 737 again for 2 years is not ideal lol.

CC268 05-26-2023 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Flyinggrill (Post 3642044)
It’s completely dependent on your class and drop. I was in a class of 45, with only 18 AB slots I believe. I’m 30 and there were only 737 slots left when the bid got to me. I finally got awarded PHX 320 but I’m withheld and I’ll be commuting until the middle of next year. Withholds can be up to a max of 12 months and you should expect to be withheld the max time right now.

Can you explain the withheld in more detail? So your seat locked for 2 years right?

CRJdriver2017 05-26-2023 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3642059)
If your younger then around 32 it’ll be hard to get the Airbus.

On the other hand my class in April had 48 and only 8 737 spots.

ImSoSuss 05-26-2023 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642035)
What is the likely hood of getting the Airbus if you are one of the younger guys in the class? Are most folks getting what they want. I’d be looking at PHX eventually so I’d want to avoid the 737.

fair to middlin

desertdog71 05-26-2023 01:31 PM

Which aircraft has the faster movement? Also why is the Bus more desirable? I know the 737 is a dinosaur but really is it that bad?

brdsoccer 05-26-2023 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by desertdog71 (Post 3642093)
Which aircraft has the faster movement? Also why is the Bus more desirable? I know the 737 is a dinosaur but really is it that bad?

To piggy back on his questions, I've heard 737 has better trips. I'm specifically looking to be based in DFW. What is better about 737 trips vs AB (if anything)?

RippinClapBombs 05-26-2023 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642072)
Yea I am 29. Already got the 737 type from SWA. Being stuck on the 737 again for 2 years is not ideal lol.

You may be surprised. I was around your age and snatched one of the last Airbus bids.

ObiOne 05-26-2023 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642076)
Can you explain the withheld in more detail? So your seat locked for 2 years right?

You are seat locked for six months as a new hire, but they can withhold you to make it a year. This means that if they are conducting new hire training and upgrades to the point that they can't accommodate you (likely), you will be awarded what you bid but will have to wait until the year is up for it to actually go into effect. It's basically a year seat lock, effectively.

Fly76 05-26-2023 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by ObiOne (Post 3642122)
You are seat locked for six months as a new hire, but they can withhold you to make it a year. This means that if they are conducting new hire training and upgrades to the point that they can't accommodate you (likely), you will be awarded what you bid but will have to wait until the year is up for it to actually go into effect. It's basically a year seat lock, effectively.

i do like on the AIP even though it’s DOS+3 years basically, max withhold will be 9 months.

CC268 05-26-2023 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by ObiOne (Post 3642122)
You are seat locked for six months as a new hire, but they can withhold you to make it a year. This means that if they are conducting new hire training and upgrades to the point that they can't accommodate you (likely), you will be awarded what you bid but will have to wait until the year is up for it to actually go into effect. It's basically a year seat lock, effectively.

Got it thanks. That’s not too bad.

terks43 05-26-2023 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by desertdog71 (Post 3642093)
Which aircraft has the faster movement? Also why is the Bus more desirable? I know the 737 is a dinosaur but really is it that bad?

Step foot in the Airbus cockpit, then step foot in the guppy. Then report back your findings.

Flyinggrill 05-26-2023 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642128)
Got it thanks. That’s not too bad.

It’s actually 18 months if you don’t get your preferred aircraft in indoc. I couldn’t get the AB until my 6 month seat lock was up, and then from the award date it’s another 12 months. Unless you get lucky and they only withhold you for the minimum amount of time (6 months), which we’re not seeing on the NB side right now.

JulesWinfield 05-26-2023 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by CC268 (Post 3642072)
Yea I am 29. Already got the 737 type from SWA. Being stuck on the 737 again for 2 years is not ideal lol.

I can't imagine how painful it must be to be under 30 and at your 2nd career destination. The horror of flying the gasp 737 gasp for 2 whole years. My condolences. I will say a prayer for you tonight you poor soul.

CC268 05-26-2023 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3642161)
I can't imagine how painful it must be to be under 30 and at your 2nd career destination. The horror of flying the gasp 737 gasp for 2 whole years. My condolences. I will say a prayer for you tonight you poor soul.

Lol ;) so glad to have blessed you with my presence Jules Winfield

MCDUmanipulator 05-26-2023 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017 (Post 3642090)
On the other hand my class in April had 48 and only 8 737 spots.

never said it was impossible, but not very likely.

Jetgypsy 05-31-2023 02:14 PM

So if I want DFW no matter what, what are my best options and expectations? I’m 35 so hopefully younger class group

CRJJ 05-31-2023 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Jetgypsy (Post 3644471)
So if I want DFW no matter what, what are my best options and expectations? I’m 35 so hopefully younger class group

Don’t expect to be one of the older guys. I’m 41 and 23 guys are older than me in class.
Also don’t expect DFW right away, but according to everyone it should be doable within 6-8 months.

biigD 05-31-2023 02:50 PM

Welcome all - happy to have you. :)

gearup1006 05-31-2023 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3644492)
Don’t expect to be one of the older guys. I’m 41 and 23 guys are older than me in class.
Also don’t expect DFW right away, but according to everyone it should be doable within 6-8 months.

I already have in my mindset I’m going to be the 8 ball 🤣

Jetgypsy 05-31-2023 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3644492)
Don’t expect to be one of the older guys. I’m 41 and 23 guys are older than me in class.
Also don’t expect DFW right away, but according to everyone it should be doable within 6-8 months.

awesome thanks for the heads up!

CRJJ 05-31-2023 06:26 PM

Any educated guess on when the next vacancy bid will be?. I know there’s one left contractually, and I’m guessing even a 4th one if the new contract got ratified by August?

MCDUmanipulator 05-31-2023 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3644583)
Any educated guess on when the next vacancy bid will be?. I know there’s one left contractually, and I’m guessing even a 4th one if the new contract got ratified by August?

First week of June is what people are saying.

CRJJ 05-31-2023 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3644588)
First week of June is what people are saying.

Can’t come soon enough :D

TransWorld 06-01-2023 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3644589)
Can’t come soon enough :D

I checked my calendar. That is now.

Setspeed 06-01-2023 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3644706)
I checked my calendar. That is now.

Annnd just dropped today

cjpercle 06-02-2023 03:14 AM


Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 3644853)
Annnd just dropped today

Any pointers where to find that? AA Pilots?

onetogo 06-02-2023 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 3644853)
Annnd just dropped today


Could someone post, please?

Thanks

gearup1006 06-02-2023 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by onetogo (Post 3645197)
Could someone post, please?

Thanks

I may have missed it what was in the 31st class drop?


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