APA Fails to Raise the Bar
07-30-2023 | 05:44 AM
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07-30-2023 | 06:36 AM
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Braniff Christmas?
APA’s structure, governance and bylaws are what hampers its ability to secure ILCs. Period, dot, end of sentence. It has nothing to do with AA pilots running it, or former US, or former AW, or whoever. You could have an army of the smartest pilots in charge of fixing it but they will fall flat on their faces - and they have over the years I’ve been here - simply due to the almost autonomous and absolute power the BOD has over everybody else in the union, including the NOs. At the end of the day, we live and die by the BOD’s actions. The ONLY time APA has made gains is when the membership itself has revolted or acted on its own against its leadership. (Braniff Christmas, Sept to Remember, etc.)
When a union only makes gains when its membership revolts, you’ve got a deeply flawed union.
There is indeed one way to fix APA. Schitt can it and replace it with ALPA.
Until that happens, we will trail the industry. It’s really that simple. The ILCs happening everywhere today except APA is proof.
AA pilots have been ham strung by APA for DECADES. It’s like being in a bad marriage with no way out. If you want to fault AA pilots, fault them for not going back to ALPA a lot sooner. Unfortunately, AA pilots have been “institutionalized” by APA’s actions over the decades and part of that has become ingrained in their DNA. That’ll take a while to purge, but it is possible - through a fresh start with ALPA.
I’ll end my rant with one more example of the BOD’s antics and why this union is so broken. Last spring, the ALPA exploratory committee actually RECOMMENDED to the BOD that, in their view, the next step in exploring an ALPA merger needed to proceed, based on their extensive research. In other words, the very committee that the BOD appointed to explore a merger with ALPA recommended we take the next step. And the BOD shot down ITS OWN COMMITTEE’S RECOMMENDATIONS immediately as the panic set in that their days might be numbered. Now, what does that tell you as to the question if APA can be fixed?
When a union only makes gains when its membership revolts, you’ve got a deeply flawed union.
There is indeed one way to fix APA. Schitt can it and replace it with ALPA.
Until that happens, we will trail the industry. It’s really that simple. The ILCs happening everywhere today except APA is proof.
AA pilots have been ham strung by APA for DECADES. It’s like being in a bad marriage with no way out. If you want to fault AA pilots, fault them for not going back to ALPA a lot sooner. Unfortunately, AA pilots have been “institutionalized” by APA’s actions over the decades and part of that has become ingrained in their DNA. That’ll take a while to purge, but it is possible - through a fresh start with ALPA.
I’ll end my rant with one more example of the BOD’s antics and why this union is so broken. Last spring, the ALPA exploratory committee actually RECOMMENDED to the BOD that, in their view, the next step in exploring an ALPA merger needed to proceed, based on their extensive research. In other words, the very committee that the BOD appointed to explore a merger with ALPA recommended we take the next step. And the BOD shot down ITS OWN COMMITTEE’S RECOMMENDATIONS immediately as the panic set in that their days might be numbered. Now, what does that tell you as to the question if APA can be fixed?
07-30-2023 | 07:08 AM
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A lot of the pilots there were content and lazy waiting to flow.. Their contract exemplifies the same laziness
07-30-2023 | 08:09 AM
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Yeah, I built up hundreds of hours of sick time on the narrow body, because I was only flying 12-13 days a month and the trips were good. The new guys now will never see that, because they’re flying garbage trips, 16 days a month, and getting pounded into the ground. Very few of them I talk to have any sick time, it’s impossible to accumulate it.
07-30-2023 | 08:21 AM
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Yes I’ve read it. It’s only 8 pages and is clearly written for someone familiar with the subject and not on reserve, the FAQ don’t address my questions. Hence why I asked for someone more versed in the subject to opine.
FYI: “go read a compass manual” is actually not helpful advice, nor does it answer the question. Cheers.
FYI: “go read a compass manual” is actually not helpful advice, nor does it answer the question. Cheers.
07-30-2023 | 08:43 AM
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From: A320 FO
Serious question because I see a common trend with Delta guys….do y’all have Delta posters in your rooms? Do y’all have weekly meetings where you sit in a big groups and talk about how much more awesome y’all are than others?
07-30-2023 | 08:53 AM
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delta is better run, makes more money, has happier employees, has more pilots, and a much better contract. It’s unfortunately our reality because of how poor our airline and union are run.
07-30-2023 | 08:57 AM
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No, I'm not going to do your assigned homework. I think DAL does a better job but still has to replace AC.
If you think paying cash for AC is a plan, you're dead and don't even know it.
Ask the NWA old guys about old NWA and the Checchi. Should be a good primer for all cash fleet.
If you think paying cash for AC is a plan, you're dead and don't even know it.
Ask the NWA old guys about old NWA and the Checchi. Should be a good primer for all cash fleet.
But I’m sure you knew that.
maybe worry less about what another management team’s plan is, and more about raising the bar.
if, in fact, AA is on the tail end of its massive debt pay down , then it should have been even easier to raise the bar.
07-30-2023 | 09:34 AM
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07-30-2023 | 10:30 AM
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How many have you accumulated since COVID and the optimizer?
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