APA Fails to Raise the Bar
#71
Thats the thing about IMAX, you’d be way better off getting a spread sheet and running a game-plan than just high flying. High flying alone will get you in IMAX hell, the negative side of IMAX where you get limited to about 75 hours and no free time off. Consider speaking with some experts.
#72
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"Overall value" isn't the gauge. Isom himself is on video saying he was prepared to "match" DL. It's totally disingenuous to say AA didn't match DL, then UA on the vast majority of the bullet points, including pay tables to the penny. It's one long list of "me too" snap-ups.
#73
I have kids at home, and I'm running into IMAX, although accidentally. Just been running my PPROJ up as high as I can tolerate in order to pay for a home under construction that always seems to be going over budget! Can't wait to slow down once it's completed, however.
You can get sucked into the ultimate "nirvana" IMAX goal, but don't sacrifice time with them for it.
#74
Not true, you don’t have to IMAX to get good QOL. Honestly, most important thing is learn the contract, learn the scheduling tools (PBS, TTS, DOTC), learn to analyze what you can do at your seniority using the PBS Award Report. Also use that report to choose your base if you commute and have options. Figure out the best way to bid a reserve schedule. I’ve flown with many CA’s, and surprisingly many FO’s that have no clue how to bid their schedule, they also don’t care about even trying to improve it.
#75
Not true, you don’t have to IMAX to get good QOL. Honestly, most important thing is learn the contract, learn the scheduling tools (PBS, TTS, DOTC), learn to analyze what you can do at your seniority using the PBS Award Report. Also use that report to choose your base if you commute and have options. Figure out the best way to bid a reserve schedule. I’ve flown with many CA’s, and surprisingly many FO’s that have no clue how to bid their schedule, they also don’t care about even trying to improve it.
#76
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What are you talking about? AA came out with the most recent AIP on 5/19 and, up until that point, UA pilots were talking on their forum about how little progress that had made in their negotiations. No one will take the time and go back and read the threads, but they’re there.
I don’t care about their TUMI TA if that’s what you’re talking about.
I don’t care about their TUMI TA if that’s what you’re talking about.
As I said. Absurd.
#77
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1) December 2022- Delta sets new industry standard with AIP
2) March 2023- Delta TA ratified
3) April 2023-Murmurs of progress/imminent AA deal, not nearly as much progress on UA side
4) May 2023- AA reaches AIP
5) Late May-June 2023- Murmurs of progress on UA side
6) July 2023- UA AIP
The point is not that the AA AIP was industry leading, it was industry matching at best. Having an agreement at all at AA did two things: it gave UALPA leverage because United was now the only one without a pilot agreement, and it gave SK an opportunity to show up RI. You really think the timing is a coincidence? There is little doubt in my mind much of the timing of the UA AIP was to mess with the vote of the AA TA and possibly send us down a potential path of mediation. This is something I felt would happen back in we came out with our AIP/TA. All of timing of what I stated above can be validated with a combination of Google searches and looking at UA threads on this site.
Right now, those in upper management at the legacies are playing chess and we are playing checkers. You have to read between the lines.
#78
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Sequence of events last eight months:
1) December 2022- Delta sets new industry standard with AIP
2) March 2023- Delta TA ratified
3) April 2023-Murmurs of progress/imminent AA deal, not nearly as much progress on UA side
4) May 2023- AA reaches AIP
5) Late May-June 2023- Murmurs of progress on UA side
6) July 2023- UA AIP
The point is not that the AA AIP was industry leading, it was industry matching at best. Having an agreement at all at AA did two things: it gave UALPA leverage because United was now the only one without a pilot agreement, and it gave SK an opportunity to show up RI. You really think the timing is a coincidence? There is little doubt in my mind much of the timing of the UA AIP was to mess with the vote of the AA TA and possibly send us down a potential path of mediation. This is something I felt would happen back in we came out with our AIP/TA. All of timing of what I stated above can be validated with a combination of Google searches and looking at UA threads on this site.
Right now, those in upper management at the legacies are playing chess and we are playing checkers. You have to read between the lines.
1) December 2022- Delta sets new industry standard with AIP
2) March 2023- Delta TA ratified
3) April 2023-Murmurs of progress/imminent AA deal, not nearly as much progress on UA side
4) May 2023- AA reaches AIP
5) Late May-June 2023- Murmurs of progress on UA side
6) July 2023- UA AIP
The point is not that the AA AIP was industry leading, it was industry matching at best. Having an agreement at all at AA did two things: it gave UALPA leverage because United was now the only one without a pilot agreement, and it gave SK an opportunity to show up RI. You really think the timing is a coincidence? There is little doubt in my mind much of the timing of the UA AIP was to mess with the vote of the AA TA and possibly send us down a potential path of mediation. This is something I felt would happen back in we came out with our AIP/TA. All of timing of what I stated above can be validated with a combination of Google searches and looking at UA threads on this site.
Right now, those in upper management at the legacies are playing chess and we are playing checkers. You have to read between the lines.
It appears we lack your divine omniscience. All I witness are the perpetual failings of APA, time and time again, like a recurring bad joke.
#79
the best thing to do is take a look at it, it’s found where you look at 3xp beta. It will show everybody’s pbs award (their schedule). It shows what layer they were awarded in. The trips are hyperlinked so you can look at the details. It shows everybody’s coverage days either none, or Line Holder (LH) or reserve (LC or SC). It shows what the reserve pilots bid…must off vs prefer off. It shows how many days off Line holders got, and their credit. It shows vacations and training. It shows Line holders TAFB. In general it shows percentages of line holder reserve, MALV etc.
You can look at historical data. I look at old December awards every year to gauge how pilots bid and gauge what I can hold as an example (holiday pay has completely changed bidding behavior though). Otherwise I just look back a month or 2. It can help you manage expectations and also not waste layers bidding stuff you won’t get.
You can look at historical data. I look at old December awards every year to gauge how pilots bid and gauge what I can hold as an example (holiday pay has completely changed bidding behavior though). Otherwise I just look back a month or 2. It can help you manage expectations and also not waste layers bidding stuff you won’t get.
#80
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"Overall value" isn't the gauge. Isom himself is on video saying he was prepared to "match" DL. It's totally disingenuous to say AA didn't match DL, then UA on the vast majority of the bullet points, including pay tables to the penny. It's one long list of "me too" snap-ups.
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