2025 Class Drops
#1201
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Joined: Mar 2021
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I’ll add to this. DO NOT throw your colleagues under the bus.
I had a flight a while back where the CA overslept and caused a +45 delay. It was an early AM departure from a satellite base. Missed connections, the whole bit. We’re all human. It happens.
I made a PA after I knew what was going on. Told a white lie and said the original guy called in sick and we had a new guy coming in on his day off to get the flight out. Turned an angry mob into a grateful bunch and took a lot of stress off the cabin crew.
Sorry for the drift, but I think we are dunzo with 2025 classes after this week.
I had a flight a while back where the CA overslept and caused a +45 delay. It was an early AM departure from a satellite base. Missed connections, the whole bit. We’re all human. It happens.
I made a PA after I knew what was going on. Told a white lie and said the original guy called in sick and we had a new guy coming in on his day off to get the flight out. Turned an angry mob into a grateful bunch and took a lot of stress off the cabin crew.
Sorry for the drift, but I think we are dunzo with 2025 classes after this week.
The moral of the story is that there may be honor among pilots, but do not expect that same honor between work groups (and I have learned this lesson through numerous other examples).
#1202
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Joined: Dec 2019
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Why not apologize for ATC/WX? “Although this weather / air traffic delay is out of our control, we sincerely apologize for the disruption and we’re doing everything in our power to get you there….blah blah”. The sorry isn’t admitting personal fault. It’s an acknowledgment that their plans are being disrupted.
Why throw “the company” under the bus? Passengers see us as the company. They don’t care whether it’s the pilot’s fault, the ramp’s fault, the CEO’s fault…they just want to feel like the airline actually cares about them and about delivering on the product they bought.
We think like union members (as we should). At times it’s us vs the company. But you’ve gotta remember that most paying customers here don’t think that way. They paid for a service and when we don’t deliver, we ALL look bad. Even when it’s not our fault.
#1203
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Joined: Dec 2019
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Study after study it was shown that owning a problem and apologizing for it went miles with a customer.
They really do want to hear someone apologize. No matter whose fault it is. They want to be heard and an apology is a big part of that.
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I honestly do not understand the people here who refuse to apologize for something… and I’ve flown with many. Blows my mind.
They really do want to hear someone apologize. No matter whose fault it is. They want to be heard and an apology is a big part of that.
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I honestly do not understand the people here who refuse to apologize for something… and I’ve flown with many. Blows my mind.
But I don’t use that as an excuse to exude a lack of professionalism. And I don’t let the unprofessionalism of other work groups affect how I act. I’ll communicate, I’ll apologize, I’ll thank loyal passengers time permitting. All of those things are a part of doing this job well.
#1204
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2019
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I’m all for short and sweet when things are going well. Those are the perfect days to use that extra time to thank Concierge Keys and stuff.
Why not apologize for ATC/WX? “Although this weather / air traffic delay is out of our control, we sincerely apologize for the disruption and we’re doing everything in our power to get you there….blah blah”. The sorry isn’t admitting personal fault. It’s an acknowledgment that their plans are being disrupted.
Why throw “the company” under the bus? Passengers see us as the company. They don’t care whether it’s the pilot’s fault, the ramp’s fault, the CEO’s fault…they just want to feel like the airline actually cares about them and about delivering on the product they bought.
We think like union members (as we should). At times it’s us vs the company. But you’ve gotta remember that most paying customers here don’t think that way. They paid for a service and when we don’t deliver, we ALL look bad. Even when it’s not our fault.
Why not apologize for ATC/WX? “Although this weather / air traffic delay is out of our control, we sincerely apologize for the disruption and we’re doing everything in our power to get you there….blah blah”. The sorry isn’t admitting personal fault. It’s an acknowledgment that their plans are being disrupted.
Why throw “the company” under the bus? Passengers see us as the company. They don’t care whether it’s the pilot’s fault, the ramp’s fault, the CEO’s fault…they just want to feel like the airline actually cares about them and about delivering on the product they bought.
We think like union members (as we should). At times it’s us vs the company. But you’ve gotta remember that most paying customers here don’t think that way. They paid for a service and when we don’t deliver, we ALL look bad. Even when it’s not our fault.
that being said… if the weather delay is exacerbated by general incompetence, poor planning, lack of equipment, etc, I will absolutely apologize. And when I say “throw the company under the bus”, I include myself. We collectively failed the customer, and we should own it. What ****es me off to no end is the company shirking responsibility when ATC/WX is only partially responsible for a cancellation/excessive delay. They get away with murder sometimes, just to save a buck on vouchers… THAT ****es off customers. All they see is injustice and indifference by corporate. I will direct the most aggrieved pax on who to contact to voice their displeasure and get properly compensated
#1205
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Joined: Dec 2019
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Weather and ATC are not our fault. I will explain the situation and say we are trying remedy it in any way possible, show empathy, etc. But taking the blame is backwards and nonsense.
that being said… if the weather delay is exacerbated by general incompetence, poor planning, lack of equipment, etc, I will absolutely apologize. And when I say “throw the company under the bus”, I include myself. We collectively failed the customer, and we should own it. What ****es me off to no end is the company shirking responsibility when ATC/WX is only partially responsible for a cancellation/excessive delay. They get away with murder sometimes, just to save a buck on vouchers… THAT ****es off customers. All they see is injustice and indifference by corporate. I will direct the most aggrieved pax on who to contact to voice their displeasure and get properly compensated
that being said… if the weather delay is exacerbated by general incompetence, poor planning, lack of equipment, etc, I will absolutely apologize. And when I say “throw the company under the bus”, I include myself. We collectively failed the customer, and we should own it. What ****es me off to no end is the company shirking responsibility when ATC/WX is only partially responsible for a cancellation/excessive delay. They get away with murder sometimes, just to save a buck on vouchers… THAT ****es off customers. All they see is injustice and indifference by corporate. I will direct the most aggrieved pax on who to contact to voice their displeasure and get properly compensated
One thing we all have in common is complete frustration with other parts of the company not doing their jobs to take care of passengers, especially when things aren’t going well. It aggravates me to no end when I for example see a gate agent ****ed off with passengers when the flight is delayed or cancelled. They act like it’s an inconvenience to do their job assisting passengers.
It’s completely absurd, it’s toxic, and someone in a position of power at the company needs to start addressing it. Right now it’s crickets from the top…
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