APA officially in negotiations with ALPA

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10-07-2025 | 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ClncClarence

No. Normal dues are 1%. During Section 6 they went up to 1.5%.

Because of the dues holiday, the effective rate for 2025 will be somewhere around 0.5%.

Ok, thanks. I had heard there was a higher rate in section 6, but didn't realize the 'normal' rate was an even 1%. That is pretty low. .5 is super low - what's the reasoning behind that?

I don't think anyone is ignorant of/arguing the fact that ALPA 'charges' a higher % than APA does, even with consistent refunds. (Yes, 1.85% is the current 'norm'. It was 1.9% until 6-8 years ago). IF y'all decide to rejoin ALPA, I hope y'all demand a permanently lower rate than even 1.5%, as a condition of bringing a 20% increase in membership with you.

10-07-2025 | 04:48 PM

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A 0.5% increase in dues means $500/$100,000 earned. I dunno about y'all but arguing over $1000-$2000/yr in extra dues money is literally inconsequential at the end of the day - it's a rounding error on our W2s. Will that extra money get us a better contract? Who knows.

The $ paid is so little difference that I don't think that is something that should be talked about, because pilots are cheap and we'll do the absolute cheapest thing possible to our detriment (I am living proof).

Just IMO.

10-07-2025 | 06:40 PM

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Ok, thanks. I had heard there was a higher rate in section 6, but didn't realize the 'normal' rate was an even 1%. That is pretty low. .5 is super low - what's the reasoning behind that?

The long and short is that APA suspended dues while the merger committee is doing its thing. Dues are not collected until there is some sort of resolution or the APA’s reserves reach $50M.

We have not paid dues since May or June…I can’t remember without checking paystubs.

10-07-2025 | 06:59 PM

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Name User is right - I don't know why we're discussing dues money. Seems like that's missing the big picture. I'd like to see a vote.

10-08-2025 | 03:36 AM

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AA pays 1%. I believe we've established DL and UA pay 1.5%. Smaller ALPA shops that I've worked for are 1.85%+.

It will be interesting to see if they can get it all the way down to 1%.

Are these dues also taken from retirement contributions?

401k funds are dues exempt, including any "spill" cash received once over the DC limits.

10-08-2025 | 04:58 AM

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I'd like to see a vote.

There will only be a vote if APA and ALPA merger negotiators reach an agreement on dues, property, staffing, etc. I'm sure APA will want to have a guy as ALPA officer right off the bat. I kind of doubt there is going to be any agreement on those items. APA will overplay their hand, and ALPA will dig in. Just my opinion.

10-08-2025 | 08:26 AM

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There will only be a vote if APA and ALPA merger negotiators reach an agreement on dues, property, staffing, etc. I'm sure APA will want to have a guy as ALPA officer right off the bat.

That would only make sense, for a voluntary merger (vice revolt/decert scenario). Not sure why ALPA would have an issue, if the legacy APA rep(s) are that bad they'll lose their next election or get recalled. The good news would be they'd have some objective oversight from national in the meantime.

10-08-2025 | 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I tend to agree with you, ALPA was pretty generous with FedEx. A successful agreement here also paves the way to bring Southwest and UPS into the fold later. Those are all positives for ALPA national. The biggest question in my mind is if APA wants this or if it's all a show to waste time and in the end say, we tried but couldn't make it work. Time will tell.

10-08-2025 | 08:45 AM

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It’s also a question whether the APA membership wants this. As a fence sitter, I’m all for a vote so we can put this to bed. But I am very skeptical as to whether it would pass a membership vote. Frankly, I’d be very surprised if it did.