yes, you’re right. It’s my seniority that got me to where I am. If you call mid 11000 being senior. It’s still junior as ******* to me. Like I said, give me a third party perspective, and I’m all ears. Hell, show me someone who is an APA loyalist, but also excited about the opportunity to go to ALPA, and I would want to hear what they have to say as well. So far, all the anti- APA folks that I’ve run across are all pro-ALPA for different reasons- excluding section 6. So, to me, that is just as self-serving as the “everything is fine for me” group.

 

Did you just crawl out of a hole or do you just want things repeated at you over and over again? The reasons have been discussed ad nauseam on these boards over the last three years and there was a very vocal campaign by the AA for ALPA organization. You either choose to be willfully ignorant or aren't interested in the reasons presented. Maybe you should ask your little advisory panel of pilot "friends" from other airlines on how you should vote.

 

hey, I signed the card, I signed up for the emails from AAPILOTS4ALPA. I’ve yet to hear a compelling argument and plan for HOW the issues that that have been “discussed ad nauseam” will actually be fixed. But, yeah, I’ll be a no vote, manly because folks like you that would rather berate people for being happy with how their lives are in their own little shells, than actually try to educate others on how the changes will actually be made under a new banner. How is ALPA going to make the unicorns and rainbows appear out of the ****ing sky?

 

So you would vote no out of spite? lol, makes perfect sense based on your posts.

 

His points are valid and this rant-y type of reply does nothing to help the ALPA cause. Might want to work on the delivery. Or be ok with *****ing for the rest of your career when it doesn’t work the way you hope.

Look, APA certainly has some warts. Absolutely nobody disputes that. But to expect people to just blindly follow a switch to ALPA when they’re already happy with their $/QOL ratio, without so much as a single coherent argument other than “because I said so”, is a really naive perspective.

By the way, I also signed a card.

 

This is my issue with the pro-ALPA types. They complain that our contract "isn't good enough" but it passed with 73% to 27% and when I ask them personally they said they voted yes. So for a strong majority of pilots they thought it was good enough at the time and now are trying to re-trade because they want more?

The other major issue I have is nobody is explaining how ALPA will be any better at *insert pet peeve here*. It is essentially "APA screwed this up therefore ALPA will make life perfect". How?

My concern is there is all this effort and focus being put into the letterhead and at the end of the day nothing will change except my dues will nearly double.

I am open minded to change but you need to show me how things will be better. I agree with your complaints about APA but how does changing the name fix any of them?

 

well said.

I don’t care what people think needs to be fixed. I want to know how it will be fixed.

Does ALPA just walk into SkyView (pick a building) and scare the **** out of everyone?

Is our company going to all of a sudden change its behavior because of our union?

Are we going to replace all of our APA leadership on day one?

How long do we need to wait until all of the magic at ALPA turns AA into the stuff of DAL/UAL’s dreams?

 

Is there a money back gaurentee?? If we go to ALPA and the next contract is either voted down or isn't DAL/UA +5% do we automatically revert to APA? 😂

 

Id settle for DAL/UA + 0%

 

Unless something very unexpected happens that's probably our best case scenario.