Sorry. I thought I was replying to ACEssXfer - he said most of the clowns have retired.

I assumed he was a staple.

 

My man. You weren't here. You inserted the word junior and used it to be a victim. You have no perspective on what happened during that time. That's all I meant when I asked if you were here during covid and S6. It wasn't an attempt to smear you for being junior.

I'm not a staple.

I said "a lot" not "most" have retired.

I, just barely, was not affected during covid. APA hung TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED pilots out to dry with incompetence, indifference, cowardice, and from some leadership outright malice. Many of the statements that were made in public at town halls and from leaked emails were absolutely disgusting. Section 6 is what we NEED ALPA for but that won't be the reason I vote yes.

 

DL’s contract has a provision under the “Global Scope Agreement” for violations vis-a-vis JV’s. If the company is found to have any violations, WB positions are automatically posted in the next bid that are (effectively) nearly permanent. It’s a pretty solid gain.

Most of the rest of the contract is the standard “fly now grieve later”, but a big push in this cycle is for auto financial penalties when they fail to pay us properly the very first time. I fully suspect we will get some version of it. It’s a petty big issue over here right now.

 

First. I never claimed victimhood. My life has been pretty smooth here- no complaints whatsoever, there are only a few things in my wishlist, but it isn’t anything I can’t live without. I will admit that I am one of those, “my life is peachy” people.

2nd- sorry for using “most” when you said “a lot”.

3rd- sorry for misunderstanding your use of junior. You may not have meant it disparagingly, but any other time someone asks in person about how I feel about APA/ALPA and I say I don’t care, the first response is usually, “ you’re too junior to understand”, and then go on to complain about APA with no explanation of how ALPA makes it better. So, yes, I was an ******* and assumed you meant it smugly.

4th- I will always be an RHIP kinda guy- or in this case- SHIP. So I don’t care if work rules benefit the top third more than the bottom two-thirds.

5th- if **** was so egregious during Covid- and I believe it was- (someone) get the facts out to people that weren’t here. Show the receipts as the kids say. I’m sure it will sway people.

For now, I just don’t care who represents us, but I haven’t been convinced to vote for change.

I’m willing, though.

 

One could also argue that APA put AA at a competitive disadvantage by forcing their hand. Meanwhile UA etc kept their pilots employed and current and ready for the ramp up that followed.

It was a huge mistake and one I will never forget, even though it didn't *directly* impact me.

That being said, a majority of the board is now post merger hires IIRC. The new APA is not the same as the old APA.

I will also say that even under the old APA, junior QOL improved dramatically. New hires upgrading at 24 months have zero clue how bad things were not so long ago. We didn't even have trip protection until 2015.

 

Yes you have. You even admitted that is the reason you are voting no to the merger even-though you signed the card. You got your feelings hurt on APC.

 

Was AA the first airline to have trip protection or did that come from pattern bargaining too?

 

APA did nothing to improve junior QoL. Record retirements did that. Junior reserves are getting crushed under the new system negotiated by APA.

 

This is going to sound like a cop-out but I assure you it's not. The list is truly too long and I don't want to miss anything and de-legitimize it. I wish I kept some sort of electronic scrap book. There have been good "lists" posted on here before but there's no way I could find them.

Junior pilots were used as pawns both internally inside APA and externally with the company. Of course we weren't ALWAYS negotiating with the company during covid because APA dissolved the NC for like 4 months after the president and NC chair had a fight. So when DAL and UAL ALPA were saving their pilot's jobs APA had no one that was even authorized to talk to the company on our behalf. Junior pilots "losing" is not an isolated incident at APA.

 

curious if this bid status dependent? What is the line where a reserve holder is not junior? In other words, at what point is reserve not being crushed?

and reserves still follow VMAX and 117, right? So- there’s still a limit to what can be done? I know that sounds insensitive. Not what I mean. I haven’t flown reserve in a couple years, so I don’t know how it is anymore.