APA officially in negotiations with ALPA
10-13-2025 | 05:01 AM
#221
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This is going to sound like a cop-out but I assure you it's not. The list is truly too long and I don't want to miss anything and de-legitimize it. I wish I kept some sort of electronic scrap book. There have been good "lists" posted on here before but there's no way I could find them.
Junior pilots were used as pawns both internally inside APA and externally with the company. Of course we weren't ALWAYS negotiating with the company during covid because APA dissolved the NC for like 4 months after the president and NC chair had a fight. So when DAL and UAL ALPA were saving their pilot's jobs APA had no one that was even authorized to talk to the company on our behalf. Junior pilots "losing" is not an isolated incident at APA.
Junior pilots were used as pawns both internally inside APA and externally with the company. Of course we weren't ALWAYS negotiating with the company during covid because APA dissolved the NC for like 4 months after the president and NC chair had a fight. So when DAL and UAL ALPA were saving their pilot's jobs APA had no one that was even authorized to talk to the company on our behalf. Junior pilots "losing" is not an isolated incident at APA.
The despicable changes to our own constitution and bylaws. Making apas primary objective to protect the institution of apa. The gustin amendment. It goes on forever.
10-13-2025 | 06:21 AM
#222
Getting old
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I am in no way saying that anyone is calling anyone stupid. I am just saying the phrase “too junior to understand”- while not intended to be degrading/derogatory- can be perceived that way. Kind of like saying, “no disrespect, but…” then saying something disrespectful.
10-13-2025 | 08:43 AM
#223
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I think the issue some people have is with the word “understand”. Understanding is tied to mental capacity. Saying someone can’t understand something is saying they aren’t smart enough to grasp a concept. In other words, it can come across as saying someone is too stupid to get it. A better way of phrasing it would be, you weren’t here to experience what we did, so our outlooks are going to be different, but this is why the past was so bad..
I am in no way saying that anyone is calling anyone stupid. I am just saying the phrase “too junior to understand”- while not intended to be degrading/derogatory- can be perceived that way. Kind of like saying, “no disrespect, but…” then saying something disrespectful.
I am in no way saying that anyone is calling anyone stupid. I am just saying the phrase “too junior to understand”- while not intended to be degrading/derogatory- can be perceived that way. Kind of like saying, “no disrespect, but…” then saying something disrespectful.
10-13-2025 | 09:42 AM
#224
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From: A320 FO
How many of those people are left on the BoD? It seems like it is mostly below the line pilots now.
10-13-2025 | 10:01 AM
#225
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It’s the culture of APA, doesn’t matter who sits in the seat. We’ve had plenty of BTL BOD members who have been sucked into the vortex once they’re inside.
In recent memory, the ones that didn’t all had charges filed against them.
10-13-2025 | 10:08 AM
#226
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BTL has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of post merger pilots masquerading around APA HQ as die hard APA apologists. (JG is a perfect example)
It’s the culture of APA, doesn’t matter who sits in the seat. We’ve had plenty of BTL BOD members who have been sucked into the vortex once they’re inside.
In recent memory, the ones that didn’t all had charges filed against them.
It’s the culture of APA, doesn’t matter who sits in the seat. We’ve had plenty of BTL BOD members who have been sucked into the vortex once they’re inside.
In recent memory, the ones that didn’t all had charges filed against them.
10-13-2025 | 03:37 PM
#227
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10-13-2025 | 04:19 PM
#228
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curious if this bid status dependent? What is the line where a reserve holder is not junior? In other words, at what point is reserve not being crushed?
and reserves still follow VMAX and 117, right? So- there’s still a limit to what can be done? I know that sounds insensitive. Not what I mean. I haven’t flown reserve in a couple years, so I don’t know how it is anymore.
and reserves still follow VMAX and 117, right? So- there’s still a limit to what can be done? I know that sounds insensitive. Not what I mean. I haven’t flown reserve in a couple years, so I don’t know how it is anymore.
10-13-2025 | 04:38 PM
#229
Bent over by buybacks
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