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Old 10-13-2025 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 8802

It’s the culture of APA, doesn’t matter who sits in the seat. We’ve had plenty of BTL BOD members who have been sucked into the vortex once they’re inside..
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Old 10-14-2025 | 06:03 AM
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We have an opportunity to make this job better for everyone. What does ALPA have to improve AA pilots? How could APA improve ALPA? This could be a great opportunity to benefit the profession.

When I was an ALPA member my only frustrations were when ALPA national was involved. They came across as a bureaucratic waste of regional airline resources. I liked the LEC MEC set up. National just felt like pilots trying to get a gig that pays well and allowed them not to fly.

Can we adopt some of the better benefits APA has to offer? Aeromedical, healthcare for early retirees, lower dues, Etc..

Can we go a step further and find better opportunities for pilots? What if everyone’s healthcare was provided by our Union? Could we save money splitting off from our companies? A smaller healthier, group that an insurance company may want. Think about what a good deal USAA was when they restricted who was let in. Educated, drug free, healthier, averse to risk, driven, etc.. That is an actuaries dream.

Maybe this is the opportunity to change for the better.
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Old 10-14-2025 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by joepilot50
Now the Gustin amendment and if this fails, done for 30 years.
Is there an ongoing effort to repeal this amendment? I am on the fence with the merger issue. Salient points have been brought up by both camps. This Gustin Amendment is a big red flag. Was the membership polled on the implementation of this? And who arrived at 25 years? This stinks of APA officer-level job protectionism. I'm sure the response from APA leadership is that they're just trying to protect dues from being wasted on such frivolous matters. It does sound like ALPA has better levers for removing poor leadership.
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Old 10-14-2025 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cornerpocket
Is there an ongoing effort to repeal this amendment? I am on the fence with the merger issue. Salient points have been brought up by both camps. This Gustin Amendment is a big red flag. Was the membership polled on the implementation of this? And who arrived at 25 years? This stinks of APA officer-level job protectionism. I'm sure the response from APA leadership is that they're just trying to protect dues from being wasted on such frivolous matters. It does sound like ALPA has better levers for removing poor leadership.
Not just the Gustin Amendment, but APA's actions through this whole process should be a red flag. From forming an exploration committee only to totally ignore their recommendations to expelling members who showed any favoritism to the merger.
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Old 10-14-2025 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 8802
BTL has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of post merger pilots masquerading around APA HQ as die hard APA apologists. (JG is a perfect example)

It’s the culture of APA, doesn’t matter who sits in the seat. We’ve had plenty of BTL BOD members who have been sucked into the vortex once they’re inside.

In recent memory, the ones that didn’t all had charges filed against them.
How many got sucked into the vortex or just knew how to play the pilot group to get elected like any "politician"?

Know the LAX VC ran on allowing a member vote on ALPA, got elected on it, and then became anti-ALPA.
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Old 10-14-2025 | 09:37 AM
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I’m sorry, but this is going nowhere, too many guys don’t have opinion, which will count as a no vote. Delta and United have better contracts because they work for competent companies. We do not, paying higher dues to an out of town union won’t change that.
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Old 10-14-2025 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
I’m sorry, but this is going nowhere, too many guys don’t have opinion, which will count as a no vote. Delta and United have better contracts because they work for competent companies. We do not, paying higher dues to an out of town union won’t change that.
Waving the white flag proudly. When do you retire? Hopefully soon.

I know I’m being disrespectful in this post, but honestly man wth is that crap?

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Old 10-14-2025 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs
Waving the white flag proudly. When do you retire? Hopefully soon.

I know I’m being disrespectful in this post, but honestly man wth is that crap?
Where is he wrong though?
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Old 10-14-2025 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DogPit
Where is he wrong though?
If the Gustin amendment is not repealed, he’s right. The vote would never realistically get off the ground with the assumed no’s.

Traction seems to be somewhat gaining to repeal the Gustin amendment and allow a normal, true yes vs true no vote to happen.
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Old 10-14-2025 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs
Waving the white flag proudly. When do you retire? Hopefully soon.

I know I’m being disrespectful in this post, but honestly man wth is that crap?
And you believe “professional negotiators” and resources negotiated those ual and dal contracts. Hey, the tooth fairy isn’t real either?

Hate to break it to ya, change of unions ain’t gonna do 💩, when it’s your fellow co-workers who do the negotiations, company don’t give a rats *** whose sitting across the table from them. It’s either gonna get done or not.
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