APA officially in negotiations with ALPA
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#232
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We have an opportunity to make this job better for everyone. What does ALPA have to improve AA pilots? How could APA improve ALPA? This could be a great opportunity to benefit the profession.
When I was an ALPA member my only frustrations were when ALPA national was involved. They came across as a bureaucratic waste of regional airline resources. I liked the LEC MEC set up. National just felt like pilots trying to get a gig that pays well and allowed them not to fly.
Can we adopt some of the better benefits APA has to offer? Aeromedical, healthcare for early retirees, lower dues, Etc..
Can we go a step further and find better opportunities for pilots? What if everyone’s healthcare was provided by our Union? Could we save money splitting off from our companies? A smaller healthier, group that an insurance company may want. Think about what a good deal USAA was when they restricted who was let in. Educated, drug free, healthier, averse to risk, driven, etc.. That is an actuaries dream.
Maybe this is the opportunity to change for the better.
When I was an ALPA member my only frustrations were when ALPA national was involved. They came across as a bureaucratic waste of regional airline resources. I liked the LEC MEC set up. National just felt like pilots trying to get a gig that pays well and allowed them not to fly.
Can we adopt some of the better benefits APA has to offer? Aeromedical, healthcare for early retirees, lower dues, Etc..
Can we go a step further and find better opportunities for pilots? What if everyone’s healthcare was provided by our Union? Could we save money splitting off from our companies? A smaller healthier, group that an insurance company may want. Think about what a good deal USAA was when they restricted who was let in. Educated, drug free, healthier, averse to risk, driven, etc.. That is an actuaries dream.
Maybe this is the opportunity to change for the better.
#233
Is there an ongoing effort to repeal this amendment? I am on the fence with the merger issue. Salient points have been brought up by both camps. This Gustin Amendment is a big red flag. Was the membership polled on the implementation of this? And who arrived at 25 years? This stinks of APA officer-level job protectionism. I'm sure the response from APA leadership is that they're just trying to protect dues from being wasted on such frivolous matters. It does sound like ALPA has better levers for removing poor leadership.
#234
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Is there an ongoing effort to repeal this amendment? I am on the fence with the merger issue. Salient points have been brought up by both camps. This Gustin Amendment is a big red flag. Was the membership polled on the implementation of this? And who arrived at 25 years? This stinks of APA officer-level job protectionism. I'm sure the response from APA leadership is that they're just trying to protect dues from being wasted on such frivolous matters. It does sound like ALPA has better levers for removing poor leadership.
#235
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Joined: Oct 2022
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BTL has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of post merger pilots masquerading around APA HQ as die hard APA apologists. (JG is a perfect example)
It’s the culture of APA, doesn’t matter who sits in the seat. We’ve had plenty of BTL BOD members who have been sucked into the vortex once they’re inside.
In recent memory, the ones that didn’t all had charges filed against them.
It’s the culture of APA, doesn’t matter who sits in the seat. We’ve had plenty of BTL BOD members who have been sucked into the vortex once they’re inside.
In recent memory, the ones that didn’t all had charges filed against them.
Know the LAX VC ran on allowing a member vote on ALPA, got elected on it, and then became anti-ALPA.
#236
I’m sorry, but this is going nowhere, too many guys don’t have opinion, which will count as a no vote. Delta and United have better contracts because they work for competent companies. We do not, paying higher dues to an out of town union won’t change that.
#237
I know I’m being disrespectful in this post, but honestly man wth is that crap?
Last edited by RippinClapBombs; 10-14-2025 at 10:25 AM.
#239
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If the Gustin amendment is not repealed, he’s right. The vote would never realistically get off the ground with the assumed no’s.
Traction seems to be somewhat gaining to repeal the Gustin amendment and allow a normal, true yes vs true no vote to happen.
Traction seems to be somewhat gaining to repeal the Gustin amendment and allow a normal, true yes vs true no vote to happen.
#240
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Joined: Mar 2024
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Hate to break it to ya, change of unions ain’t gonna do 💩, when it’s your fellow co-workers who do the negotiations, company don’t give a rats *** whose sitting across the table from them. It’s either gonna get done or not.
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