APA officially in negotiations with ALPA
10-14-2025 | 05:03 PM
#241
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I've wondered if instead of buying off $500k pilots, we could employ $500k lawyers to represent us.
I'd think $500k buys a lot more lawyer than pilot.
Committees are mostly volunteer so not much change there.
I'd think $500k buys a lot more lawyer than pilot.
Committees are mostly volunteer so not much change there.
10-14-2025 | 05:48 PM
#242
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10-14-2025 | 07:22 PM
#243
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Just a question why is the Gustin amendment bad? Considering a non vote as a "No" makes sense.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
10-14-2025 | 07:29 PM
#244
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Just a question why is the Gustin amendment bad? Considering a non vote as a "No" makes sense.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
10-14-2025 | 09:09 PM
#245
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Just a question why is the Gustin amendment bad? Considering a non vote as a "No" makes sense.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
The Gustin amendment is complete unethical, it takes advantage of the unengaged membership. It's undemocratic to take away a pilot's ability to abstain.
10-14-2025 | 10:19 PM
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Just a question why is the Gustin amendment bad? Considering a non vote as a "No" makes sense.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
Contract votes are the only thing that will have a chance to meet the threshold. No one will get elected and no member vote referendums will ever progress under such rules.
10-15-2025 | 07:07 AM
#249
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Just a question why is the Gustin amendment bad? Considering a non vote as a "No" makes sense.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
That is the way how it works when trying to certify a new union. That's how it is with decertifying unions, and even card drives.
If things aren't even bad enough to get regular folks to tune in and vote then why make a change? A small vocal minority gets to force the broader group to change when they are at least marginally satisfied? Doesn't make sense to me but happy to hear counter arguments.
10-15-2025 | 06:14 PM
#250
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And you believe “professional negotiators” and resources negotiated those ual and dal contracts. Hey, the tooth fairy isn’t real either?
Hate to break it to ya, change of unions ain’t gonna do 💩, when it’s your fellow co-workers who do the negotiations, company don’t give a rats *** whose sitting across the table from them. It’s either gonna get done or not.
Hate to break it to ya, change of unions ain’t gonna do 💩, when it’s your fellow co-workers who do the negotiations, company don’t give a rats *** whose sitting across the table from them. It’s either gonna get done or not.
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