AMR Files For Bankruptcy
12-01-2011 | 06:59 PM
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Dude, we are not an attractive woman! We are the ugly, fat chick in the corner. We are not only cheap, we are easy. And our "daddy" is more than willing to give us away.
12-02-2011 | 03:29 AM
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i would say delta vs usair personally. and i'm going by using the worse case scenario of being stapled to the bottom. delta has beter pay and bens. if it's integrated seniority via DOH, I think usair may be better. Unfortunately i think staples may be the reality. hopefully i won't find out. rest assured, i will continue to exercise my defferal right, which hopefully stays intact. who knows.
12-02-2011 | 03:44 AM
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Question for you guys, how much more can they cut out of your contract beyond the pension?
I'd be afraid to ask, but I'm just curious because it's not as if you guys are compensated so much more than comparable carriers. Furthermore you guys already took a pay cut to help the company years ago, and have been past you amendable date for a few years now.
Hope none of that seems insensitive, but I really hope bankruptcy court looks at the books and realize that labor had very little to do with AMR's filing. Clearly labor is being exploited as the scapegoat here by both management and most media outlets.
I'd be afraid to ask, but I'm just curious because it's not as if you guys are compensated so much more than comparable carriers. Furthermore you guys already took a pay cut to help the company years ago, and have been past you amendable date for a few years now.
Hope none of that seems insensitive, but I really hope bankruptcy court looks at the books and realize that labor had very little to do with AMR's filing. Clearly labor is being exploited as the scapegoat here by both management and most media outlets.
12-02-2011 | 03:56 AM
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Question for you guys, how much more can they cut out of your contract beyond the pension?
I'd be afraid to ask, but I'm just curious because it's not as if you guys are compensated so much more than comparable carriers.
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Furthermore you guys already took a pay cut to help the company years ago, and have been past you amendable date for a few years now.
Hope none of that seems insensitive, but I really hope bankruptcy court looks at the books and realize that labor had very little to do with AMR's filing. Clearly labor is being exploited as the scapegoat here by both management and most media outlets.
I'd be afraid to ask, but I'm just curious because it's not as if you guys are compensated so much more than comparable carriers.
.
Furthermore you guys already took a pay cut to help the company years ago, and have been past you amendable date for a few years now.
Hope none of that seems insensitive, but I really hope bankruptcy court looks at the books and realize that labor had very little to do with AMR's filing. Clearly labor is being exploited as the scapegoat here by both management and most media outlets.
I would take delta's wage scale happily. I believe what they proposed without A Plan may be the norm. now the big question SCOPE. That's what will be the biggest concern for me. Will I ever upgrade
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12-02-2011 | 07:45 AM
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i would say delta vs usair personally. and i'm going by using the worse case scenario of being stapled to the bottom. delta has beter pay and bens. if it's integrated seniority via DOH, I think usair may be better. Unfortunately i think staples may be the reality. hopefully i won't find out. rest assured, i will continue to exercise my defferal right, which hopefully stays intact. who knows.
12-02-2011 | 08:47 AM
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Please Clarify who AAI is.........My understading was that there had to be some kind of integration. You may have a grouop of junior pilots who get a seat at the bottom, but your not gonna see #1 at XYZ Air join at the bottom of TUV Air.
12-02-2011 | 10:10 AM
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Actually under Bond/Mc the integration of the Seniority List must be fair and there is recent Federal Appeals Court precedent that proves this. However there is a very important part of Bond/Mac that says your union SLI merger policy takes precedence and if you and your union agree to the SLI then you are stuck with it (I.E. AirTran). This is why SWA management threatened separate ops and terminating the AAI guys, they knew the outcome of Arbitration would not have been as favorable for SWA and the SLI would have been tied up in the courts for years.
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